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Things change

Posted: 2007-08-06 22:59
by nicoX
Just finished a good teamwork round, applausa!

Posted: 2007-08-07 00:02
by PARAMEDIC.CA
Now your talkin'!!! someone who has taken on the leadership challenge :D ... any other takers???


Cheers,
PMEDIC
nicoliani wrote:Just finished a good teamwork round, applausa!

Posted: 2007-08-07 05:41
by HABO3
one of the biggest problems is that squad leaders can't talk to each other through VOIP, worst mistake made by DICE. whenever i lead squads i have to read the map and figure out what the other squads are doing and base my decisions on that. the commanders are good about deploying assests 50% of the time but i never hear them attempting to design any coordination between squads.

Posted: 2007-08-07 06:06
by OiSkout
'[R-CON wrote:DVB-PARAMEDIC.CA;450920']Now your talkin'!!! someone who has taken on the leadership challenge :D ... any other takers???


Cheers,
PMEDIC
Haha yea, I always try to be SL. I should probably start up commander one day. Though being SL is so much more fun.

Though its mostly really fun cause my friend plays. But he's goin to Japan for a year soon so I need to find myself some new buddies.

Posted: 2007-08-07 06:10
by Desertfox
I only play on the gloryhoundz server now that its up :) That should solve your problem!

Posted: 2007-08-07 09:01
by The_Vulcan
I have been playing a **** load on the GamingSA.com servers since .5 came out.

It was full of the same 30-50 people every night and its a place where they take it very seriously.

But since .6 came out there has been a flood of noobs and all the regulars have gone into hiding.

I don't know if this is because of the noobs, good players leaving, or because of some of the changes. But it ain't no fun no more...

The large maps are pointless unless you wanna fly. I have played whole rounds where you never see an enemy. You jump in a tank or chopper to get to a Flag and bang your jet fodder.. Squads end up stranded in the middle of nowhere pinned down from sniper tanks. You end up with no transport and its to far to walk.

Desert Storm often ended up as a bottle neck to the pass... But now with civilians its just crazy...


Still..... kicks vanilla butt... And love the new stuff to .6
But it does in many ways feel like 2 steps forward... 1 Step back

Posted: 2007-08-07 09:20
by willgar
Think the orginal poster is overstating the problem - it's more akin to playing poker. I have experianced this same frustration but i follow a methodology that helps me find a "good" squad:

1) look down the list of players - there are some old school guys and girls that have been playing PR a long time (many frequent this forum) - if you see a few in a squad togther, try and join that one. It will probably be full, so everytime you die in your no rally/random/no voip squad - check back to see if there is an open spot in a squad of "names" and join that at the first oppotunity.

2)when you log onto a server - check th emap to see which squads have a rally. This is an indication that they are organised at least. Try and Join squads with rally's

3)When you join a squad - ask if the squad leader is using VoIP (politely)?

4)Certain servers and certain times are better than other - IGI / TacticalGAmer / Gloryhounds are much better in the evening then the daytime (Evening UK or middle of the night US)

5)find out what language the squad (leader) speaks - was in a squad yesterday and it was mostly made up of a clan members (GDF or something similar) - after half a round of frustration with minimal orders and no VoIP, i saw some text written by the SL in teamchat and realised that they were german. My requests for "Please set a rally point!" were not translating very well..

6)If all else fails - start your own squad of 1 or 2 and do transport/engineering/ ambush tactics - anything that requires only a few of you to do - and lock it :)

Posted: 2007-08-07 13:10
by Long Bow
I feel your pain Ghost. I have had one good night of PR since 0.6 went final. The Beta was good then it went to **** for me. The problem is that allot of the experienced players are spread out more now with all the servers and outnumbered by the new people. The beta had allot more experinced players on only a few servers.

I have not played much PR over the last week and probably won't for a little while until things cool down a bit. I do find the TG passwords nights are usually really good. Nothing fancy to get the password either, no waiting period or mandatory name tags.

I just got x-fire which I hope will help me track down a few people (add me if you like xlongbowx, not the best player ever but I know how to use a mic)

Posted: 2007-08-07 13:15
by Outlawz7
Anyone thought, that the more vets that take a vacation, the more nubs we'll get and it will never stop.
You need to get back in there and show them the ropes and lead them, not lean back and hope, they'll fix themselves out of nowhere...

Really dissapointing :|

Posted: 2007-08-07 13:29
by Long Bow
Outlawz wrote:Anyone thought, that the more vets that take a vacation, the more nubs we'll get and it will never stop.
You need to get back in there and show them the ropes and lead them, not lean back and hope, they'll fix themselves out of nowhere...

Really dissapointing :|
True, you make a good point. However I don't have much spare time to play (life blah blah blah) so when I do I like to enjoy myself. PR used to be enjoyable, not so much now. I don't mind leading and teaching but do that for two weeks and you start to ask yourself if there is another game you want to play tonight instead.

Posted: 2007-08-07 13:35
by Outlawz7
How about canceling those 'vBF2 invasions' and invade a specific PR server? :D ;)

Posted: 2007-08-07 16:33
by nicoX
Outlawz wrote:How about canceling those 'vBF2 invasions' and invade a specific PR server? :D ;)
How about inviting AmericasArmy.com players? Thinking about the devoted clan players.
It's not like a copy of BF2 is expensive to buy.

Posted: 2007-08-07 17:55
by VipersGhost
Yeah recruiting other clans into PR is probably a great idea...the more clans the better!

Posted: 2007-08-07 18:11
by jeffy777
I wish there were more good quality, low ping US servers.

Posted: 2007-08-07 18:23
by VipersGhost
They need more servers in Texas or something...middle of the country.

Posted: 2007-08-07 18:46
by unrealalex
Imagine how hard it is for west coast people to find a good gameplay server. There are literally only 3 servers that give me a ping of below 100, and one of them only plays helmand province and assault on mestia(which are fun but should not be played over and over again...)
I was playing server #2 yesterday and the admin got on. The current map was Assault on mestia, the admins asks what the next map should be, stupid people yell out Helmand Province! Hooray! Forget the fact that theres a server thats not even full dedicated to these 2 maps...I disconnected in rage...yesterday was full of squad leaders that wouldn't set rally points either -_-' Lets just rush in and die! Yey!

Posted: 2007-08-07 18:48
by VipersGhost
I'm in Portland, OR....I get a few good servers actually. TG plays surprisingly well, TexasTeamplayers, Raging Rebels, 101st...all those are good for me.

Posted: 2007-08-07 18:51
by OiSkout
The only fear on servers I have is a bad commander. Bad squad, it's ok as long as they try or remotely follow orders. Especially when I'm SL.

Hell, yesterday in EJOD my squad was doing everything it could to save the game. All the combat was at N Desert, so we tried to take gardens, but didn't get it in time as we had to clear it out. Then we move to N Desert, and our base is done. Worst part was when I requested supplies in N Desert, the commander wouldn't give em to me. Why? Because earlier when we were moving towards gardens(from the south), he said any squad away from protecting N Desert wont get any help. But I heard him trying to get squad 2 to request supplies on base, and they failed to do so as well. But whatever, I figured those two tanks raping them would change his mind, as we had rear shots at not to far a distance. But no, he just had to be stubborn. And then calls me out for "not helping the team."
/rant

Having to worry about this in game sucks. I can't imagine in real life.

Posted: 2007-08-07 19:30
by {GD}Ghost
OiSkout wrote:The only fear on servers I have is a bad commander. Bad squad, it's ok as long as they try or remotely follow orders. Especially when I'm SL.

Hell, yesterday in EJOD my squad was doing everything it could to save the game. All the combat was at N Desert, so we tried to take gardens, but didn't get it in time as we had to clear it out. Then we move to N Desert, and our base is done. Worst part was when I requested supplies in N Desert, the commander wouldn't give em to me. Why? Because earlier when we were moving towards gardens(from the south), he said any squad away from protecting N Desert wont get any help. But I heard him trying to get squad 2 to request supplies on base, and they failed to do so as well. But whatever, I figured those two tanks raping them would change his mind, as we had rear shots at not to far a distance. But no, he just had to be stubborn. And then calls me out for "not helping the team."
/rant

Having to worry about this in game sucks. I can't imagine in real life.
In real life, things like this happen, but unlike in-game, there are real consequences for screwing up and making bad decicions. So, in real life, people will have....

1). ....have received proper training and be fairly competent in military tactics and strategies (...unlike 90% of PR players).

2.) .....a healthy fear of severe disciplinary and legal action if they knowingly or out of incompetence make decisions that result in disaster, that could have been avoided had the proper decision been made.

...an actual tutorial that gives some basic strategies would be nice. A way to practice off line would be nice. People that friggin actually cooperate would be nice.

Posted: 2007-08-07 19:41
by Deadfast
And 3, they will plan more carefully because they are affraid to die.