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Posted: 2007-09-26 19:29
by e-Gor
[R-MOD]Thunder wrote:the British tanks don't use SABOT only HEAT rounds because of the rifled barrel on the Challenger 2.
Incorrect... C2 carries mostly sabot with a few heat (edit: or is it hesh?) (c. 3:1 split) iirc.

Posted: 2007-09-26 19:30
by Mongolian_dude
GoofRatty(CDN) wrote:There are no helicopters IRL that can absorb a direct hit from a MBT at all, be it a heat or sabot round, believe it girls, its a fact.
There is an aircraft that can though :)

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Dont get HE and HEAT mixed up folks.

SABOT(MBTs)= blah-blah (armour piercing)
use VS MBT, APC, AAV, IFV, AFV and anything else like a tank.

HEAT(MBT)high explosive anti tank.
Tank use VS INF, Heli, 'soft skinned call-sign', CMD asset, destructible building, RPs and APCs(if SABOT is not available).

HE(APC)= High explosive.
Use Vs anything you'd use HEAT for, except APCs.
In extreme cases, use against MBTs to blind gunner, while your driver GTFOs ASAP.

AP(APC) Armour piercing.
Use VS IFV, AFV, APC, MBT ( If its on fire and critical)


...mongol...

Posted: 2007-09-26 20:00
by Bob_Marley
[R-MOD]Thunder wrote:HEAT is high explosive Anti Tank. its still a effective round against tanks
the British tanks don't use SABOT only HEAT rounds because of the rifled barrel on the Challenger 2.
the wouldnt be much spash damage on a HEAT round because it is a shaped charge and most of the blast is one direction with very little shrapnel



HESH is a anti infantry round.
No, British tanks use SABOT, the army has a specically developed DU SABOT round called "CHARM III" with an anti-spin ring.

HESH is for use against armored viechles and hardened structures such as bunkers

There is also a fairly new development, that of HEAT-MP (High Explosive Anti-Tank Multi Purpose) which are HEAT rounds that are effective against targets such as older MBTs and lightly armoured viechles like APCs but have much improved fragmentation compared to a conventional HEAT round. These are probubly the shell represented in PR.

Posted: 2007-09-26 20:23
by banditdog_1
While on the ranges when we were firing sabot in a chally 1 - if you used TOGS (thermal imaging) you could actually see the sabot plastic case come away while the projectile went down the range after it left the barrel.
I seem to remember sabot being french for shoe?

We used DU sabot for the first time in Op Granby. Everyone joked that at night you could see your gonads glowing. :shock:

On-topic, there are an awful lot of things that take a lot of rounds to kill in PR be it tanks or infantry - when IRL they would be toast after 1 or 2 shots.

Don't even get me started on belt fed guns :-x

Posted: 2007-09-26 21:10
by Sgt_Canadian_Floss
Thanks guys, I learned something today (really, im not joking)

See ya all on the battlefield

Posted: 2007-09-26 22:01
by Jaymz
Sabre_tooth_tigger wrote:With the apc firing on a BH it takes 10 normal rounds and 21 Heat last time I tested.
Like I said, needs a boost.
[R-MOD]Bob_Marley wrote: There is also a fairly new development, that of HEAT-MP (High Explosive Anti-Tank Multi Purpose) which are HEAT rounds that are effective against targets such as older MBTs and lightly armoured viechles like APCs but have much improved fragmentation compared to a conventional HEAT round. These are probubly the shell represented in PR.
Considering the BF2 world is a few years ahead of ours this would be correct. Though perhaps not intended :p