Completely Hypothetical Situation.

youm0nt · Post by **youm0nt** » 2007-10-19 00:47

American Revolution?
Nah...
Civil War?
Nah...
Future war?
Nah...
War mod set in the Half Life 2 universe?
Hell yeah, get some Combine vs Rebels with some MP7s and some AK47's, haha. *Reference to my HL2 mod for BF2 thread on these forums*

Post by **Rhino** » 2007-10-19 00:47

DavidP wrote:Then how about a special game mode/map if the tanks are out of the question? Maybe a city map where the germans have to defend cp's and cant be re-capped? Or a different kind of Aas?

you would have to do some research. When making something realistic for the past you also need to make realistic battles that happened.

DavidP wrote:They still would have Grails.

They where in fact given stinger missiles by the US

But i agree, maybe its something we should try to do in PR

DavidP wrote:Play fallen times same thing really.

na, its very unrealistic with its fire balls etc

Eddiereyes909 · Post by **Eddiereyes909** » 2007-10-19 00:50

IAJTHOMAS wrote:You do realise this wasn't a war right?

wait what...

Liquid_Cow · Post by **Liquid_Cow** » 2007-10-19 00:51

Really the only conflict in the last 100 years with a dynamic and somewhat even battle field was WWII. WWI would be terribly boring as previously mentioned. There were very few battles where tactics went beyond "CHARGE!!!!" and "RETREAT!!!". Korea might be interesting, very asymmetric warfare, but how do you allow the North to have massive numbers with poor weapons in a game which only allows 32pp per side. Vietnam was too asymmetrical, as the current conflict in Iraq is, US firepower completely dominates the place it occupies, but when the US leaves it falls right back to the "red" forces.

If you want to go back in time, I think the best option would be a USSR vs USA cold war gets hot "near reality." Think the classic Clancy book Red Storm Rising. There were plenty of shooting incidents during the cold war, many of which could have escalated to full conflict. Set the time in the early 80's when Reagan was itching for a fight, an accidental discharge ignites a full scale armor assault in Germany...

I think its got potential.

IAJTHOMAS · Post by **IAJTHOMAS** » 2007-10-19 01:21

=Romagnolo= wrote:but imagine it hot, would be cool, wouldnt ?

Everyone would TK trying to press the big red button, and rounds would last about 2 minutes

DavidP · Post by **DavidP** » 2007-10-19 02:06

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:you would have to do some research. When making something realistic for the past you also need to make realistic battles that happened.

Well i was gonna ask you what weapons were used exactly in ww1? I know of Smle, Kar, M1903, m1911, Mosin, And Mosin Nagant revolver. What else?

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote: They where in fact given stinger missiles by the US

I thought they used mostly russian stuff?

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:But i agree, maybe its something we should try to do in PR

You mean Pr set in the not too far past? Oh my god you read my mind! I was gonna suggest just now maybe to make a USSR in Afghanistan map.

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote: na, its very unrealistic with its fire balls etc

Lol i know but thats why i said it was practically the same.

Farks · Post by **Farks** » 2007-10-19 06:33

The trojan war!

THIS... IS... SPARTAAAAAAAAA!!

Post by **bosco_** » 2007-10-19 09:57

Remember guys, the Dev's can't just pull complete factions, statics and so on out of their arses...

Post by **Rhino** » 2007-10-19 10:06

DavidP wrote:You mean Pr set in the not too far past? Oh my god you read my mind! I was gonna suggest just now maybe to make a USSR in Afghanistan map.

well you could, but you could also say a new invasion?

supahpingi · Post by **supahpingi** » 2007-10-19 10:27

One word: Somalia '93
Insurgient dragging naked US soldiers true thier city: priceless

supahpingi · Post by **supahpingi** » 2007-10-19 10:28

Liquid_Cow wrote:Really the only conflict in the last 100 years with a dynamic and somewhat even battle field was WWII. WWI would be terribly boring as previously mentioned. There were very few battles where tactics went beyond "CHARGE!!!!" and "RETREAT!!!". Korea might be interesting, very asymmetric warfare, but how do you allow the North to have massive numbers with poor weapons in a game which only allows 32pp per side. Vietnam was too asymmetrical, as the current conflict in Iraq is, US firepower completely dominates the place it occupies, but when the US leaves it falls right back to the "red" forces.

If you want to go back in time, I think the best option would be a USSR vs USA cold war gets hot "near reality." Think the classic Clancy book Red Storm Rising. There were plenty of shooting incidents during the cold war, many of which could have escalated to full conflict. Set the time in the early 80's when Reagan was itching for a fight, an accidental discharge ignites a full scale armor assault in Germany...

I think its got potential.

Like Point of existence 2?

-=TB=-Tobakfromcuba · Post by **-=TB=-Tobakfromcuba** » 2007-10-19 10:57

US firepower completely dominates the place it occupies, but when the US leaves it falls right back to the "red" forces.

possible to let 2 insurgents cap a flag even when 5 usmc/brit are in the (large) flagradius? so usmc/brit forces have to (like in real) eliminate any possible thread in an area to has its misson succesfull

Post by **bosco_** » 2007-10-19 11:31

supahpingi wrote:One word: Somalia '93
Insurgient dragging naked US soldiers true thier city: priceless

Show some respect, ****.

Burlock · Post by **Burlock** » 2007-10-19 12:08

i would just like them to do re-so it in a better engine one that doesnt have so much stuff bloody hardcoded

Swe_Olsson · Post by **Swe_Olsson** » 2007-10-19 14:43

I wanna see more Insurgency vs UN ( Us, Brits, Canada ) and Blackwater convoys with black Suv's in convoy.. would be really neat

Post by **Saobh** » 2007-10-19 15:46

How about the American civil war ?
Some nice varied terrain, good mix of weapons and lots of historical battles to rediscover.
Just don't make it as crazy paced as BFPirates YAaHHArrR !!

<1sk>Headshot · Post by **<1sk>Headshot** » 2007-10-19 16:17

SethLive! wrote:ww2 is the coolest battle there is.

I know a couple billion people who would disagree with you there buddy.

WWI wouldn't work, mainly because of the scale of all the battles. 63 V 1, heres the scene.

Commander: "OK lads, move forward and advance on the entrenched MG08, impenetrably surrounded by barbed wire and sandbags, CHARGE!"

Rat-rat-rat-rat...

"S***".

How about BF Cowboys vs. Indians ;]

Harrod200 · Post by **Harrod200** » 2007-10-19 16:25

H3eadshot wrote:I know a couple billion people who would disagree with you there buddy.

WWI wouldn't work, mainly because of the scale of all the battles. 63 V 1, heres the scene.

Commander: "OK lads, move forward and advance on the entrenched MG08, impenetrably surrounded by barbed wire and sandbags, CHARGE!"

Rat-rat-rat-rat...

"S***".

How about BF Cowboys vs. Indians ;]

The WWI officers were used to fightig colonial wars where the most scary weapon the enemy had was often a pointed stick. WWI was the first time they had really fought anyone with equal technology and military knowhow as themselves since the days of chivalry...

It might be interesting to see a Falklands war mod, UK vs Argies over lots of island-based maps (or one biiiig ArmA-esque archipelago map, tho that'd have to be a new game not a BF mod). I've never seen a Falklands game...it may have been a short war but it was messy for both sides and if it hadn't happened IMO the British army wouldn't be half as good as it is today at fighting; it taught us a lot of lessons.

Red Halibut · Post by **Red Halibut** » 2007-10-19 16:45

Leaving aside any discussion of "cool" or otherwise (war is not cool. at all. ok? ) It is difficult to think of a theatre that would "work" with the PR treatment on this engine.

The falklands has already been mentioned, though perhaps one could look at other scenarios rather than historical.

One that rarely receives much consideration is a "scandinavian" scenario. Winter Ops, particularly, could be an interesting change. I know that snow is hard to model, but reskinning for winter camo should be a fairly "quick win" (relatively speaking! ).

ZaZZo · Post by **ZaZZo** » 2007-10-19 17:09

Red Halibut wrote:Leaving aside any discussion of "cool" or otherwise (war is not cool. at all. ok? ) It is difficult to think of a theatre that would "work" with the PR treatment on this engine.

The falklands has already been mentioned, though perhaps one could look at other scenarios rather than historical.

One that rarely receives much consideration is a "scandinavian" scenario. Winter Ops, particularly, could be an interesting change. I know that snow is hard to model, but reskinning for winter camo should be a fairly "quick win" (relatively speaking! ).

A huge wooden map in Sweden perhaps, called Operation Moosehunt