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Major the real thing I was trying to say is that players need to respect the wishes of other players, especially when there are quite a few people saying 'no armour'. Really I have no problem with people using tanks but if I do find myself in a position where people are pleading for no armour, I would respect that, and if there was a player who was blatently disregarding their wishes (if they are the clear majority) I would certainly support a kick vote. Players should only be kicked if they know the majorities wishes and go against it anyway. As you say you did. Please realize my statements were in no way at all supporting kicking without clearly telling new players joining the server (and getting a response from them, the chat ticker is a bit difficult to keep up with) that such agreements are in place.

Again, as has been said this is not a mod wide rule or even a GH server rule. These situations occured when a group of players collectively agreed to not using armour, obviously these aren't airtight as you've pointed out you were yourself a victim of someone breaking these agreements. At the moment, this can't really be helped.

My thinking is that if a group of players has apparently agreed to not using armour, their wishes should be respected. I realize that I am not the only one who thinks this. But please, stop the sarcastic 'bad promotion tactic' remarks. As I said before, this situation as well as the vote kicking depends solely on the wishes of the majority of people playing in the server. I don't think one person should be able to come in and respect only their own playing style. Again, this is a case of majority rule, if there is no clear majority, then there won't be vote kicks and really shouldn't be a problem if the people who want infantry only and those who want infantry and vehicls are relatively equal in number.

I hope that this issue can be put to rest, if you have a serious problem with the ways I answer questions such as the author of the post please PM me with your complaints. I'm sure they can be worked out.

"sarcastic remarks"??

That was my opinion, not sarcasm for the record. Putting a negative label on someone else's opinion is also a poor PR tactic.

As for the issue at hand, I'll bury this dead horse for now, but this is not the last we'll here about it I assure you.

Fuck u all the community of this mod has no clue what real skill is!
I get banned from gh for using a tank fuck u all i dont give a shit anymore I cant see that when the full version comes out there wont be any tanks its clear now im done with this mod and with bf2 im going back to good old call of duty were real skill is!

That's a relief ...

Bye bye ya teamkilling smacktard. your team didn't need you and the mod deson't either. Have fun with your call of duty and let them deal with your shit instead of us

Heydude, this response is inapropriate to say the least. I'm sick of this argument as much as you... believe me, but please try to keep comments like this to yourself or at least try and tone them down a bit.

This apparently has to be stated over and over, but here it is again. There is no plan, nor to my understanding, has there even been any consideration on taking armored vehicles out of the game. In fact, there will be even more added. Vehicles are and integral part of the Battlefield experience. The decision to remove armor from the GH Karkand map was a server decision, not a PRMM decision. It is fully within the rights of the server to do this.

I've said before, I don't really use armor too much, but I relly enjoy it when it's used right. It wouldn't be Battlefield without it.

I know that GH is pretty much the only server that is really populated right now, so your choice to go to another server is pretty limited, but as the mod gains momentum, as I'm sure you noticed it is, there will be no room on GH for everybody and your choices will be more open. Hang in there and rest assured on the PRMM side, armor is not going anywhere.

Heydude, why are you complaining about the mod when this is a server issue?

Why is anyone even talking about this here? This is an issue on Gloryhoundz server. Ask them for a concrete decision on armor instead of insulting our hard-working Dev team.

well im giving u kicker a name like infantry whores! bf2 was made for tank combat. Its a community problem they kick people if they dont like what there doing. This is war and in war they dont go o shit my gun jamed can i have yours so i can shot u? I dont talk with the other team. I have a program were it block the other teams globle. I dont care if there is a rule in the server in war there is no rules but 1 that is win!

I belive you said "It's just a game and I'll do what I want". Well when you make the GAME cease to be fun for EVERY OTHER PERSON ON THE SERVER then we'll do what we want and that means getting rid of YOU. We had no problem using tanks earlier on in the night when we had 20 people playing but when it's 3 on 3 your just being an ******* grabbing a tank. After all it is a GAME

no be at kill me if you can tanks our fun! Best part of the game if you cant take the heat u should leave the server.

Heydude, calm down. Stay with the mod and the servers. Accept that low-population servers often want to play infantry and light vehicles only for the sake of the group's gameplay and fun, and bide your time until enough players join that tanks wouldn't imbalance the fight. I was fighting 7v7 tonight with tanks and helos all used, and earlier at 5v5 and tanks barred. You've got to play with other people, and the group rules are everyone's rules.Take it or leave it on a game-by-game, don't toss the whole mod away because of a few 15 minute rounds without tanks.

Fine but each time i come on they say no tanks even when 20 people our on the server. Also i have been banned for using a tank with is lame!

It is lame. At 20 players, they should start playing tanks. But we can't argue with majority rule unless an administrator is around to control them. So just chill.

While Heydude's response was not the most eloquently written, it's exactly what I am talking about. Clear communication is a problem, especially when you've got players who don't use English as their primary language. I had a problem intitially and I'm a native speaker. How is some Swedish guy or Czech dude going to interpret text buffer mesages fast and accurately. Say he doesn't ever get it? Then he gets kicked off for failing to interpret fast enough. Viola, you're going to get comments like Heydude's, and he's another American!

By consensus we all agree that the GH server is the only server that's being used right now. The choices are limited. GH is obviously an english server but now what do we do with the players who have limited English skills? Kick them off for not understanding the "players" rules. From that guy's point of view he's playing the game as it was designed. How are people like him supposed to "get it"? I'm sorry but going by the philosophy of "Speak English or leave" is not going to fly.

Do you see now why this practice is self defeating? The Mod can't afford to have it's players become the judge and jury on public servers -and PR can't afford to support it. As PR struggles out of it's infancy, it's up to all of us to make sure the Mod we enjoy gains momentum. Gathering international support should be key, not just concentrating on the English speaking world.

Maybe when there are 20 servers out there that have 30 players or more each can there be a "majority makes the rules" type of play that some players want so much. Negative publicity, such as the kind Heydude will now generate, is 10x more destructive. People feed off of bad news - Check out your local TV broadcast and the prevailing modern theme of "if it bleeds it leads". Especially after some posters told him in effect to go away.

No, PR Developers and Publicity reps can't control how their Mod is used or abused. I've never thought they could. However, they can refrain from supporting the players who chose to undertake that style of gameplay.

In future posts like this one that are sure to come up, why not just say, "R-PUB encourages all players to work together and come to a mutual consensus on gameplay." Instead of, "When a group of players decide not to use tanks and you come through with one, they can vote kick you because you are making their playing experience less fun." - Broken Arrow

I want to be fair, other R-PUB members came out with more moderate statments,

"If it's their first time playing and they want to try out the vehicles PRMM style, they shouldn't get screamed at for it. To the players that have such an issue with it, you got your Karkand with no vehicles whatsoever." - Lifetaker

"The tank can easily be taken out with AT or mines; just be aware of your surroundings. I don't know why people complain so much. Plus I witnessed a lot of new players become turned off by this mod because people were cussing at them and telling them no tanks." - Armand

My advice is to develop a good response that shows solidatity when dealing with this subject. It will go miles when somone, as I did, comes in to this forum to try and get some answers. At the very least they should come up with the conclusion that it was just a few players who were doing that, the PR team doesn't encourage it.

All the 16 player maps will have armor removed hopefully wed. or thurs. This discussion should be closed.

Maj.b00bz wrote:While Heydude's response was not the most eloquently written, it's exactly what I am talking about. Clear communication is a problem, especially when you've got players who don't use English as their primary language. I had a problem intitially and I'm a native speaker. How is some Swedish guy or Czech dude going to interpret text buffer mesages fast and accurately. Say he doesn't ever get it? Then he gets kicked off for failing to interpret fast enough. Viola, you're going to get comments like Heydude's, and he's another American!

By consensus we all agree that the GH server is the only server that's being used right now. The choices are limited. GH is obviously an english server but now what do we do with the players who have limited English skills? Kick them off for not understanding the "players" rules. From that guy's point of view he's playing the game as it was designed. How are people like him supposed to "get it"? I'm sorry but going by the philosophy of "Speak English or leave" is not going to fly.

Do you see now why this practice is self defeating? The Mod can't afford to have it's players become the judge and jury on public servers -and PR can't afford to support it. As PR struggles out of it's infancy, it's up to all of us to make sure the Mod we enjoy gains momentum. Gathering international support should be key, not just concentrating on the English speaking world.

Maybe when there are 20 servers out there that have 30 players or more each can there be a "majority makes the rules" type of play that some players want so much. Negative publicity, such as the kind Heydude will now generate, is 10x more destructive. People feed off of bad news - Check out your local TV broadcast and the prevailing modern theme of "if it bleeds it leads". Especially after some posters told him in effect to go away.

No, PR Developers and Publicity reps can't control how their Mod is used or abused. I've never thought they could. However, they can refrain from supporting the players who chose to undertake that style of gameplay.

In future posts like this one that are sure to come up, why not just say, "R-PUB encourages all players to work together and come to a mutual consensus on gameplay." Instead of, "When a group of players decide not to use tanks and you come through with one, they can vote kick you because you are making their playing experience less fun." - Broken Arrow

I want to be fair, other R-PUB members came out with more moderate statments,

"If it's their first time playing and they want to try out the vehicles PRMM style, they shouldn't get screamed at for it. To the players that have such an issue with it, you got your Karkand with no vehicles whatsoever." - Lifetaker

"The tank can easily be taken out with AT or mines; just be aware of your surroundings. I don't know why people complain so much. Plus I witnessed a lot of new players become turned off by this mod because people were cussing at them and telling them no tanks." - Armand

My advice is to develop a good response that shows solidatity when dealing with this subject. It will go miles when somone, as I did, comes in to this forum to try and get some answers. At the very least they should come up with the conclusion that it was just a few players who were doing that, the PR team doesn't encourage it.

^Read and learn.

Totally agreed.

"In future posts like this one that are sure to come up, why not just say, "R-PUB encourages all players to work together and come to a mutual consensus on gameplay."


"Clear communication is a problem, especially when you've got players who don't use English as their primary language. I had a problem intitially and I'm a native speaker. How is some Swedish guy or Czech dude going to interpret text buffer mesages fast and accurately. Say he doesn't ever get it? Then he gets kicked off for failing to interpret fast enough. Viola, you're going to get comments like Heydude's, and he's another American!"

Absolutely right. Especially now, in the times that we do not have servers filled with players at all times, we must help all that want to try out our mod. In fact, by doing that you are also helping yourself! You will have won one more player for the mod who you can work together with to defeat the other team. One more player to fill the servers! I'm Dutch myself, and though I am pretty good at English it can be hard to understand what people say, especially over VOIP with a less than perfect microphone, an accent and a poor internet connection.

Whether the new players are American, British, Chinese, Swedish, Dutch or Russian they all have the right to play the mod and we should help them to get the same pleasure out of it as most of us do. When the ammount of players rises dramatically and you have servers from all countries with players in them at all times, THEN they can choose to join a server with players from their own country. But not now. And even when those times come we should not simply tell them to **** off and find another server but instead we should try to find a way to co-operate anyhow.

Wolf out.

In my post I was simply trying to answer Heydude's question of why he was kicked. The majority voted and as bad as a single persons bad rap of a mod can be the bad raps of 5,6 or 7 people is even worse. While I sincerely hope this incident doesn't turn Heydude or anyone else away from PR the 'I do what I want' attitude of one player will turn away a whole lot more.

DEDMON5811 wrote:All the 16 player maps will have armor removed hopefully wed. or thurs. This discussion should be closed.

Was the decision for this act a consensus agreed upon by most GloryHounds players? I agree that we should use smaller maps, but not take out the armor on them. We don't want to turn this mod into America's Army or counterstrike. And by doing this on gloryhounds, it seems like it would create a monolopy of a server because no one else has a choice right now to go to another server.

I think most people want their armor under favorable conditions, that being enough players on a server.

'[R-PUB wrote:Armand61685']Was the decision for this act a consensus agreed upon by most GloryHounds players? I agree that we should use smaller maps, but not take out the armor on them. We don't want to turn this mod into America's Army or counterstrike. And by doing this on gloryhounds, it seems like it would create a monolopy of a server because no one else has a choice right now to go to another server.

I think most people want their armor under favorable conditions, that being enough players on a server.

Easy solution to that, for example:

Round 1: Karkand 16p (modded, no armor)
Round 2: Karkand 32p (unmodified 16p copy, no rules)
*next map*
Round 1: Kubra Dam 16p (modded, no armor)
Round 2: Kubra Dam 32p (unmodified 16p copy, no rules)
*etc*

Amazingly simple, is it?
If people dont like the current map... Vote for the next!
By the design I mean that you simply copy the 16p files to the 32p folder, then modify the 16p folder. BF2 sadly doesnt support new player counts (24p for example). If one still want to use the 32p version, employ the 64p folder for the 16p mod.