7.62 Minigun or pea shooter?Why so weak?

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2007-12-27 21:28

That gun only needs to kill whoever is using it and I would be happy enough.

Same round as the Mosin I think

Click here to watch Blackhawk-minigun-down

TristanYockell · Post by **TristanYockell** » 2007-12-27 21:31

Sabre_tooth_tigger wrote:That gun only needs to kill whoever is using it and I would be happy enough.

Same round as the Mosin I think

Click here to watch Blackhawk-minigun-down

No the Mosin is a .308 russian or 7.62X54R. The cartridge you speak of is a 7.62X51.

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2007-12-27 21:34

I'm sure it'd jam in there ok

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2007-12-27 21:50

solodude23 wrote:All it has to do with is netcode + moving vehicle + no sights. Its a ***** to hit guys on the ground.

Yea. If it did splash damage then it would kill people easier, or if the impact area of the bullets was lager than a man it would also kill people. It should shower the area with lead instead of beam it.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-12-27 21:57

SiN|ScarFace wrote:Yea. If it did splash damage then it would kill people easier, or if the impact area of the bullets was lager than a man it would also kill people. It should shower the area with lead instead of beam it.

Yey, Lager!

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-27 22:36

TristanYockell wrote:Whynot make it 1800 RPM in game then?. Then change the damage levels accordingly.

1. Lag
2. Just keep the 1200 and make it have AOE, same thing.

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2007-12-27 23:22

I do agree, the minigun is basically useless. Mostly it's like a big signal telling any enemy with an MG "shoot here".

IRL the GAU-134's cyclic rate is 6000 RPM, often reduced to 3000-4000. If I read the above posts correctly, ingame it has 1200 rpm? So effectively you're using only 40% of the weapons power, with no compensation via AOE/splash damage. Also, the thing is like a flipping laser, it seriously needs some deviation.

Jane's guide says that the BH has mounts for GAU-134 or M2, no mention of M240. Global Security says that the UH60L can mount 7.62 MGs, with optional mounting of 12.7mm MGs in the doors. It does not supply a designation for the 7.62 MG, and the GAU-134 is in fact a 7.62 MG, so no proof either way. Anyone with experience have something to add?

Fatal1ty · Post by **Fatal1ty** » 2007-12-27 23:31

well, how about two 30mm cannons being attached to a side of a helo in 0.7??

in reality you wouldn't need to aim for the man, you'd probly bring down half of the feckin building anyway.

arneboe · Post by **arneboe** » 2007-12-28 00:14

i think the Minigun should get a little deviation because of the lower rate of fire and low splash damage.. But not to much.. if you have seen the minigun fired esp. at night you see that the bullets follow a pretty straight line.. yes there is a bit deviation, but with 100 bullets per second they are pretty tight and the second bullet won't be too far off the path the first bullet has etc.. and IRL it kinda looks like a laser with some "Sway"...

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 01:18

CAS343 wrote:Original damage = 50

Real Rof = 3000

Max ROF allowed in engine = 1800

1800/3000 = 50/x

0.6x = 50

x = 83.3 "damage"

166% increase in damage

I should go add some deviation while I'm at it.

From my knowledge and IMO if you're about 300-500m from your target the rounds should be hitting withing a 5-10m radius.

Fatal1ty · Post by **Fatal1ty** » 2007-12-28 01:32

how about we do the british thing lol and use GPMG's on side of helos like they do in afghan/iraq?

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 01:34

Fatal1ty wrote:how about we do the british thing lol and use GPMG's on side of helos like they do in afghan/iraq?

Because we're American and we prefer to shoot more rounds than shoot accurately + 800 RPM GPMG or 6000 RPM Minigun for a vehicle that moves at high speed through the air?

[EC]DR.NOobFragger · Post by **[EC]DR.NOobFragger** » 2007-12-28 01:59

haha any one remember how powerful the BH minigun's on the first unpatched release of vbf2? those things could take out a tank

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 02:02

'[EC wrote:DR.NOobFragger;561314']haha any one remember how powerful the BH minigun's on the first unpatched release of vbf2? those things could take out a tank

I thought they were realistic in vBF2 in 1.0 is the sad thing.

Fatal1ty · Post by **Fatal1ty** » 2007-12-28 02:05

it was good,but not enough splash damage

Viper5 · Post by **Viper5** » 2007-12-28 02:14

Soulja wrote:Because we're American and we prefer to shoot more rounds than shoot accurately + 800 RPM GPMG or 6000 RPM Minigun for a vehicle that moves at high speed through the air?

Are you serious? The US Army uses miniguns on almost exclusively 160th SOAR Helos. The vast majority of US helos use the M240 (US Designation for FN MAG. M240 and the GPMG are both derived from the MAG.) Dont be moronic.

Soulja wrote:From my knowledge and IMO if you're about 300-500m from your target the rounds should be hitting withing a 5-10m radius.

Translation: "0mg I once saw Blackhawk Down and the Miniguns pwn3d!111." Since your knowledge amounts to a Hollywood Movie, I'll help you out No, they are not that accurate. Its a spray and pray weapon. Youd be lucky to get within 5-10m of a target thats at 300m from a moving helo with a Sniper Rifle...

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 03:11

Viper5 wrote:Are you serious? The US Army uses miniguns on almost exclusively 160th SOAR Helos. The vast majority of US helos use the M240 (US Designation for FN MAG. M240 and the GPMG are both derived from the MAG.) Dont be moronic.

Translation: "0mg I once saw Blackhawk Down and the Miniguns pwn3d!111." Since your knowledge amounts to a Hollywood Movie, I'll help you out No, they are not that accurate. Its a spray and pray weapon. Youd be lucky to get within 5-10m of a target thats at 300m from a moving helo with a Sniper Rifle...

Says the 15 year old who has never seen one shot.

Also i was talking about for the game. Hate kids.

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2007-12-28 03:55

You can be devious and put the batch size of a value greater than one. This would make the weapon fire multiple rounds per shot and could artificially increase the ROF. IF you wanted, say 6000 RPM, you could set the ROF at "600" (RPM) and the batch size at "10". I'm not sure if the sound would properly work though.