Aiming for the target

[darkNight]

Scarface, I love ya.. hahaha

And yeah, most of the players are more-than-others interested in military stuff Finally somebody has to serve for his country and for freedom in this bloody world !

[Wasteland]

Just trying to gain clarity, because this thread is 100% whiskey tango foxtrot.

Seek and you shall find.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... ously.html

Specifically post #19

[darkNight]

Wasteland;590617']Seek and you shall find.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... ously.html

Specifically post #19

Oscar - Mike - Golf!

That's a real hell of a post! This mate should get the Nobel Prize in sympathy and freedom! :d uh:

[SiN|ScarFace]

Wasteland;590617']Seek and you shall find.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... ously.html

Specifically post #19

Thanks, it would have been helpful if he added a caveat in reference to that other thread.

[joselucca]

none of the above.
all that matters is that you play the game and play it well.

[BloodBane611]

Culture, as in military culture.
Most people I play with has a (far) above average interest and knowledge of military equipment, tactics and history.
So to me that seems to be the unifier.

x3

All of michael_denmark's posts have been quite insightful.

[Michael_Denmark]

Oscar - Mike - Golf!

That's a real hell of a post! This mate should get the Nobel Prize in sympathy and freedom! :d uh:

Hi darkNight

If okay with you, it would be useful to me that you address your perception more specifically. You know, make use of reasons/arguments and other Nobel Prize stuff, so I become aware of why you state that opinion. Maybe it’s wrong making this thread? If it is, state why.

Please accept my apology if you feel offended by my answer to you in this post.

All the best,
Mike

[Michael_Denmark]

spotted this thread - so justs some thoughts.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... -guys.html

Fetus-13 2 0.58%
14-17 102 29.82%
18-25 109 31.87%
26-35 79 23.10%
35-50 43 12.57%
50+ 7 2.05%
Voters: 342. You have already voted on this poll

In this thread only 14% has stated that the target group is defined by age but in the "age-u-guys" thread quoted above 60% is below the age of 25. Although the age of 25 in it self is not an issue, it maybe could be in this poll anyway?

Why?

Well, as I see the poll having the universal target group system of Juniors and Seniors in mind, it can be listed into 6 age poll groups...thus the same amount of target groups that many local football clubs around the globe use everyday.

And half of those 6 age groups cover the ages below 25. The other half cover the ages above 25...thus maybe that is showing the old classical junior and senior system being implicit embedded into the poll?

If so, the age group below 25 is dominating the two assumed classical target groups: junior and senior.

And yes, I do know that the modern consumer is much more situational minded than ever, but still believe that some of the classical criteria’s as age, gender, education, product-experience and real life social-position does matter to some degree.

Anyway, comments are welcome.

[darkNight]

Hi darkNight

If okay with you, it would be useful to me that you address your perception more specifically. You know, make use of reasons/arguments and other Nobel Prize stuff, so I become aware of why you state that opinion. Maybe it’s wrong making this thread? If it is, state why.

Please accept my apology if you feel offended by my answer to you in this post.

All the best,
Mike

Your posts are just damn funny! What's that for a poll? The point of this is totally blurry! I don't know what do you want to say with that and many other people here, too! None of your possibilities listed above is the reason for playing PR... and you wrote that big post in that thread, either linked above. Totally strange how you explain why nobody wants to follow that kid's orders. Your post are mostly very psychological and exorbitant.

It's just funny to read this. Can't explain it. You have too much time or no friends, I don't know. And please don't be pissed. That's not criticism at all! Just wanted to state why and answer your question

[Michael_Denmark]

Thanks for the answer darkNight.

I am not pissed at all. Very useful answer to me.

Thx

Mike

[Neo722712]

I think Heskey put it best
And I agree with him . . .

Besides it's great fun . . .

[Jaymz]

PR is intended for a niche market of players whom desire a modern based military game that demands tactical teamwork through use of relative realism.

[BeerHunter]

IMO the core players are defined by their age:

Younger players tend to have more free time to dedicate to online gaming, as they don’t have family responsibilities such as children to care for or a wife to maintain.

Younger players have accepted computers as part of their every day life and abandoned all other social activities in favor of spending hour upon hour staring at their 19” wide screen monitor while they peruse the internet.

Younger players are more willing to associate real life accomplishments with online achievements and refer to these as “skills” . (really , how much skill and knowledge and training is required to operate a PRM asset vs the real life one??).

Younger players tend to have no life so can dedicate hour upon hour to studying all the nuances of a video game to gain the upper hand. Far easier to become a “l33t” PRM players than to train for hours for that 25 KM Marathon Race.

Younger players in general tend to think that the world owes them a living, and that they know everything.

There.

Summed it ALL up in a few short paragraphs.

[Sadist_Cain]

PR is intended for a niche market of players whom desire a modern based military game that demands tactical teamwork through use of relative realism.

Amen

[Michael_Denmark]

I agree.

But that statement is in my mind, respectfully, “only” an overall segmentation of the consumer group your niche product is reaching. Thus the next logical move to me is the target group level, which is not being mentioned, in that segmentation statement.

Thus aiming for the target.


Any product wanting to push for success in the long and actually in the short run too has to segmentise its consumer group into target groups and approach these accordingly to their individual needs. The key words here are needs/desires/wants.

By doing so the product downs the largest interest of conflicts inside the consumer group it self and thereby creates a foundation of percept ionising the product from the most valuable target group/s too. Your product is reaching a very complex consumer group. Your product is partly a success and therefore most interesting to many out there besides me. Hopefully you are aware of that fact as a dev team.

Not completely sure, but think your product reached the target group level after point five came out? Thus the target group part in the developing process is maybe two patches behind schedule now? Maybe the newly announced (and not deserved) second place is an indicator of that assumption?

I hope I am not troubling you guys on the dev team, when writing this, cause I am trying to do the opposite. Reason for doing so is egocentric based; I would very much like to see this niche product of yours stay alive for years to come. And stayed alive with an enlarged consumer group too. A consumer group divided up into target groups.

[LiquidSnake]

I think that PR is for everybody who likes BF2 but wants true realism instead of that "holywood-realism". Neither culture, age or even skin colour should be a reason not to be allowed to play PR (except for the really really young people here ^^).

[PRC_Heavy_Z]

PR is mostly for western military enthusiasts.

Yes there are a lot of people playing this game from all corners of this world but look at the focus of the mod and the plot.

All the maps are about western forces invading, and in the plot (map briefing), the non-western forces seem to just allow the western forces roll on. There are going to be 2 American forces with a ton of new weapons introduced to bf2 and even more western faction are comming. Meanwhile the only non-western, non-fictional and conventional faction has had little change compared to the western factions.

BTW, I'm not trying to disrespect the dedication and effort of the DEV's or the DEV's themselves, the community or the community mods. PR is still by far the best BF2 mod and the only one that actually at least made an effort in creating realistic feel in every single faction instead of just a few. This is just my view as a non-western minority.

[BloodBane611]

PR is mostly for western military enthusiasts.

I think this is mostly because the majority of the DEVs/advisers are from western countries, and have experience with western militaries. So given their background, it's what makes sense. Certainly the DEVs are less excited about making, say, the indian army, than the british army.

[Michael_Denmark]

I think this is mostly because the majority of the DEVs/advisers are from western countries, and have experience with western militaries. So given their background, it's what makes sense. Certainly the DEVs are less excited about making, say, the indian army, than the british army.

So if that is true, the primarily target group could seem to be a cultural one; a western one, consisting of players in different ages with the same desire; something less vanilla than…vanilla.

What that "less" covers, is another important question, cause those players with their different ages have different needs, different desires and different experiences in life too.
And consequently they naturally view the game differently. And it’s that divergence resulting in poor rounds. The so-called “noob-rounds” lacking of pretty much everything, when it comes to the dynamic of teamwork.

[PRC_Heavy_Z]

That's true bloodbane, thus they are more motivated in creating more in terms of western faction and therefore making the mod more western favored intentionally or unintentionally. The net result is this mod will attract and be favored more by western military enthusiasts.

I personally play this mod solely because of the game play and style it offers.

Again, I'm not trying to disrespect anyone. If creating western factions and western favored plot is what motivates the DEV's and encourage them to make the game play/realism/style better, then by all means GO DEVS! Who am I to disagree with that? But it'd be good to see the same amount of new toys for western faction as non-western factions.