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PRC_Heavy_Z wrote:No, the bright minds at NORINCO probably had their minds on money rather than logical hardware, or I don't know... But there are few parts that can be interchanged between qbz95/qbb95/qbu88/qbz95b. with these weapons, you can't tear off the barrel off of one gun and stick in another one. This is because even though internally the system are all very similar, all their body designs are slightly different and all the triggering mechanism are of different sizes. There are many improvements such as interchangeable parts or integrated scope/rail system that could have been (in my opinion) easily added but was not.

PRC_Heavy_Z for Chinese military advisor of PR!!

PRC_Heavy_Z wrote:No, the bright minds at NORINCO probably had their minds on money rather than logical hardware, or I don't know... But there are few parts that can be interchanged between qbz95/qbb95/qbu88/qbz95b. with these weapons, you can't tear off the barrel off of one gun and stick in another one. This is because even though internally the system are all very similar, all their body designs are slightly different and all the triggering mechanism are of different sizes. There are many improvements such as interchangeable parts or integrated scope/rail system that could have been (in my opinion) easily added but was not.

There's always one stupid engineer in every weapon design team, no matter where you are I see. Give them a stiff kick in the head from me.

Expendable Grunt wrote:There's always one stupid engineer in every weapon design team, no matter where you are I see. Give them a stiff kick in the head from me.

Club them over the head with their own defective weapon.

brummy.uk wrote:PRC_Heavy_Z for Chinese military advisor of PR!!

hehehe... no, I don't have much military experience other than mandatory high school and college "boot camp"

The 95 rifle series are like BF2... It's excellent but at the same time there is the annoying realization that it could have been better.

At the moment, it satisfies the PLA needs and fits in well with the infantry doctrine, so it's alright, but I wish they'd come out with a QBZ95G2 or A2 (depending on nomenclature) with more improvements.

That's true, PLA still has a tremendous about of servicemen/servicewomen even after the resent cuts. But that doesn't necessarily mean they have to produce cheap weapons, especially with the military budget and the economy.

I personally think it'd make production easier and cost lower if they made interchangeable parts. This way, the factories don't have to produce a different part for every gun that's demanded and it'd make maintenance and repairs less inexpensive.

Also, There have actually been 2 upgraded produced after first issuing the qbz95 to the Hong Kong Garrison since 1997 and the PLA happily accepted the changes, so if NORINCO could produce a better version, I think the PLA will be more than willing to rearm.

I always wondered if a unified service family of weapons would be the way to go -- I thought the QBZ-95 was going to be it, but apparently not :/

The XM8 was similar to what I was talking about, and I think the FAMAS is as well -- a rifle version being the basic frame, adding a barrel change and scope gives you a DMR, a heavier barrel and drum mag gives you a LSW, different forestock and barrel gives you a carbine, etc.

Why not go that little step further; make the complete family a completely modular setup like the F2000; more than just swapping out barrels and stocks, a complete range of accessories like an UGL, non-lethal shotgun, flashlights etc, all interchangeable.

[R-MOD]Masaq wrote:Why not go that little step further; make the complete family a completely modular setup like the F2000; more than just swapping out barrels and stocks, a complete range of accessories like an UGL, non-lethal shotgun, flashlights etc, all interchangeable.

Yeh the XM8 has that. I think the QBZ-95 is similar, in that it has the UGL attachment as well.

[R-MOD]Masaq wrote:Why not go that little step further; make the complete family a completely modular setup like the F2000; more than just swapping out barrels and stocks, a complete range of accessories like an UGL, non-lethal shotgun, flashlights etc, all interchangeable.

That's exactly what they should of done... but didn't...(again, just like BF2 it could have been perfect, but nope). Hopefully NORINCO and some politicians would pull their head out of the sand and make a upgrade with:

Modular setup
completely integrated rails
integrated scope/rail/carrying handle
interchangeable parts
and 6.7mm munitions

That'd be my dream ... but it's probably not going to come true

Don't you mean 6.8mm? Or did invent their own?

Friggin 5.8...why they gotta be different?

Expendable Grunt wrote:Don't you mean 6.8mm? Or did invent their own?

Friggin 5.8...why they gotta be different?

Seeing as they are the largest army army in the world and probably have more guns service rifles that the combined forces of NATO, I'd say it should be the other way around.

Friggin 5.56... why they gotta be different?

Well, the PLA has been researching small caliber rounds since the early 80's and probably even earlier. There were many novel ideas for the new munitions: 6.5mm 5.8mm 7.2mm 6.8mm etc. But 5.8mm was chosen because of its minuscule recoil impulse, flat trajectory, and penetration power. There were munitions other than the 5.8 that yielded higher stopping power and range but did not make it into service.

"Friggin 5.56... why they gotta be different?" lol

PRC_Heavy_Z wrote:Well, the PLA has been researching small caliber rounds since the early 80's and probably even earlier. There were many novel ideas for the new munitions: 6.5mm 5.8mm 7.2mm 6.8mm etc. But 5.8mm was chosen because of its minuscule recoil impulse, flat trajectory, and penetration power. There were munitions other than the 5.8 that yielded higher stopping power and range but did not make it into service.

"Friggin 5.56... why they gotta be different?" lol

Good point.

Weapon looks cool, though.

Emnyron wrote:Right, ehm, Il be stepping overe here before Kenway gets wind of this thread..

RAwr??

Right, ehm, Il be stepping overe here before Kenway gets wind of this thread..

True that. But then again, he might have had enough of criticizing crappy "high penetration" rounds.

Anyhow, the way NORINCO made the QBZ/QBB series seems pretty retarded, but that's life with gun manufacturers.

New single shot mode FTW!

They put single shot into QBB95 in game? NICE !