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Spec_Operator wrote:Which would make it overpowered compared to the other factions. The idea was to give one weapon thats only for CQB, and one thats only for ranged combat, instead of one thats good for both, like the other factions.

Also, the MP5 would fit in the G3 family of weapons the MEC uses, and they use 7.62 and 9mm, another caliber would be too much (heavy weapons excepted)

Yeah. It looks like MEC is a big time H&K customer. They probably would build them under license. It'd be unlikely for them to source weapons from other arms manufactures if H&K makes (or designs) them.

Perhaps something like a UMP would be appropriate. A UMP is a lot cheaper than an MP5 and can be chambered in 9mm.

Can 9mm compare with 5.56mm NATO in terms of PR damage? Would it be a worthy CQB weapon against the USMC/US Army/British?

Sure, though do we have a model for that? MP5 is already in game and already used by MEC (crewman) so it was the first thing i thought.

Can 9mm compare with 5.56mm NATO in terms of PR damage? Would it be a worthy CQB weapon against the USMC/US Army/British?

No and yes. The damage is a joke, except from headshots, but the relative high rate of fire plus very good control allows you to fire lots of bullets on a mansized target in cqb even in auto. Also, as SMG the deviation could be reduced to make it more handy in CQB.

(and now seriously, the Counter Strike Hacks ad starts to become really annoying, or do only I get that ****?)

Spec_Operator wrote:Why AK if they are using the G3 series weapons?

because they already use russian AK amunition in their tanks and vehicles and becaouse aks are more common and cheap than g3s and because they fit better for CQB?

the MEC supostly are a bunch of nations together , that means that they have a lot of diferent theathers to defend/attack and that they will most likely use diferent weapons that fits better in those battlefields , I.E. g3 for long range desert battles and for urban combat aks(or another AR , if you are afraid of making MEC "evil terroritz" by given them aks:roll

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:because they already use russian AK amunition in their tanks and vehicles and becaouse aks are more common and cheap than g3s and because they fit better for CQB?

Wrong. The MEC use two types of Russian machine guns on their vehicles. The first type is the Kord heavy machine gun which is chambered in 12.7x108mm. The second type is the PKT machine gun which is chambered in 7.62x54mmR. Both of which fire ammunition not fired by AK's.

Spec_Operator wrote:Sure, though do we have a model for that? MP5 is already in game and already used by MEC (crewman) so it was the first thing i thought.



No and yes. The damage is a joke, except from headshots, but the relative high rate of fire plus very good control allows you to fire lots of bullets on a mansized target in cqb even in auto. Also, as SMG the deviation could be reduced to make it more handy in CQB.

(and now seriously, the Counter Strike Hacks ad starts to become really annoying, or do only I get that ****?)

Still have to push the button longer then the Us rifleman has to push it only once, with burst and you might already be gone ??:

but the UMP might be a good idea..

Just replace the G3A3 with H&K416. All problems will go away

[R-CON]nedlands1 wrote:Wrong. The MEC use two types of Russian machine guns on their vehicles. The first type is the Kord heavy machine gun which is chambered in 12.7x108mm. The second type is the PKT machine gun which is chambered in 7.62x54mmR. Both of which fire ammunition not fired by AK's.

Besides AK 101 doesnt use russian caliber

My main point was not to make it too powerful. If they have an ironsight AR AND a scoped battle rifle, they would be just better than USMC, Army and Brits.

Still have to push the button longer then the Us rifleman has to push it only once, with burst and you might already be gone

but the UMP might be a good idea..

Well, the UMP wouldnt be more powerful when they use 9mm with it. And when the MP5/UMP is faster to get ready to shoot than the Rifles, i dont see a real problem in CQB. The 5.56 would take longer to become accurate, while you can start shooting accurate much faster with a 9mm. And, by the way, the chance to get a headshot is much higher with its low recoil and high ROF. Also, this small recoil makes the gun just easier to control. Sure, it wouldnt be "better" than a 5.56, but it would give you a fair chance in cqb, compared to the G3. What i'd want is the contrast between battle rifle and sub machine gun. Giving them a carbine or rifle in 5.56 would be overpowered, and, as said, yet another caliber to use. Be it russian or not, its a new one. 9mm is already in use, just like the MP5 for their crewmen. And if we had a UMP model in 9mm, the crewman would get those too and there would be two main weapons again, G3 and UMP. Or G3 and MP5. Wouldnt really make a difference, the UMP is a bit lighter and less expensive, thats the only real difference. (As long as both use 9mm.)

I don't think a specialized CQB kit would fit in with MEC doctrine. Why would they be fielding SMGs enmass when they hail from mountainous and desert regions? Liberal use of frag grenades should allow MEC to function in CQB.

-REad

ReadMenace wrote:I don't think a specialized CQB kit would fit in with MEC doctrine. Why would they be fielding SMGs enmass when they hail from mountainous and desert regions? Liberal use of frag grenades should allow MEC to function in CQB.

-REad

What does their homeland have to do with their arsenal abroad? SMGs are only being considered because they can do what the G3 cannot: CQB.

I would expect the MEC, if it did exist, to use whatever weapons required to win the war, not stubbornly stick to what works in the mountainous/desert regions they hail from.

One other thing: if you want to be taken more seriously, the '...allow MEC to function in CQB', and other similar abuses of complex English, should be avoided. All you had to say was that "the MEC should depend on frag grenades instead of SMGs" and elaborate further - it's an interesting thought, actually, so why don't you put it in greater detail for us?

you can easily kill people in close quaters with the G£ it just takes some practice, What i do is switch to full auto and fire from the hip, whilst similtanously pushing down with the mouse contureacting the Recoil. Doing that 90% of your time your enemy will fall.

[R-CON]Cp wrote:the P90?

2nden Every game needs a P90, the MEC really do need a CQC weapon. I hate the G3 with a passion I always get Grenadier kit support or get a kit with a pistol and use that instead. The MEC should get the MP5 as a replacement for the Iron sight rifleman as long as they have the same amount of magazines, it would be realistic to me that they have the two extremes, one gun that is decent for long range and one that is good for CQC. the other thing that could happen is to give every base kit with a G3 a side arm, maybe the P226n could make a comeback?

SuperTimo wrote:you can easily kill people in close quaters with the G£ it just takes some practice, What i do is switch to full auto and fire from the hip, whilst similtanously pushing down with the mouse contureacting the Recoil. Doing that 90% of your time your enemy will fall.

Yes. Though thats difficult. I dont say its impossible to use the G3 in CQB, but it would be good to have a second option. The reason i want the Rifleman Ironsights to have an SMG is that for full-autoing from the hip, you can also use the G3 Scope, means the ironsights variant is rather useless anyway, so why not replace it with a really good CQB weapon? Of course it's the Dev's choice, and the players choice if he wants to use it, but the option would be okay.

I dont know what you guys are smoking but I own with a G3 in close quarters. Just double tap two rounds into their chest and thats all it takes. If they get real close just shoulder it and fire in bursts, remember you only need to land two rounds.

SuperTimo wrote:you can easily kill people in close quaters with the G£ it just takes some practice, What i do is switch to full auto and fire from the hip, whilst similtanously pushing down with the mouse contureacting the Recoil. Doing that 90% of your time your enemy will fall.

Yes, but high recoil + small mag + not so high ROF = **** for CQC

The G3 is a great rifle, i just thought a bit (still realistic) varity wouldnt hurt, and the ironsights variant of the G3 is not really useful for anything the scope doesnt work for too.