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Hotrod525 wrote:No, as i said above, the gun automaticly hold the breech back ( when you shoot the last round of you're gun the piston still work! ) then you put you're new magazine, press the release button and fire again.

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In laments terms

Fire all your rounds= The bolt is back and you could stick your figure up the magazine weld because the bolt is back along with the charging handle. Put in a new magazine, hit the little "foxtail" button on the left of the rifle and it automatically loads the next round.

Reload with a round in the chamber= just put the magazine in and you are good.

Have yet to fire the rifle= Put the magazine in, pull the charging handle back, then fire.

[R-DEV]fuzzhead wrote:3 different reloading drills on most guns (afaik):

1- tactical reload: you have not shot all your rounds from the mag, but you want a fresh mag so you dont run out in a crucial moment (this is the most common reloading behaviour for players in PR). Take the old mag out, put the new mag in. Thats it. There is no need to do anything further cause there is still a round in the chamber from the old mag. This is actually a way to give yourself an extra round (31 rounds) cause of the round in the chamber. However most combat infantry dont load their mags to full, they load to 28 or so, so there is no chance of the mag fucking up.

2- expended reload: your weapon has expended all rounds in the current mag. The bolt will lock into the "back" position and your unable to pull the trigger. You need to take the old mag out, put the new mag in, press the bolt catch to bring the bolt back into the forward position, which simultaneously chambers a round. If your rifle has a forward assist, you press that to make sure the round is seated properly in the chamber. This is the 2nd most common reload in PR.

3- dry reload: you are putting a mag in the weapon which DOES not currently have a round in the chamber. You need to put the fresh mag in, **** the weapon, and press any forward assist you might have. This is done when you are entering combat readyness or if your weapon has a stoppage or as part of the drill in a weapon jam. This would very rarely occur in PR, maybe only when you respawn this would be used? Since there are no jams or stoppages.


Unfortunately BF2 can only have 1 reload animation per weapon, it does not take into account all these different states... prety sure COD4 reload animations are the same way/

Just saw this^^^^^ Pretty much sums it up.

Normally, tapping the forward assist is only used if your weapon has malfunctioned. As has been stated by others, the function of the forward assist is to fully seat the bolt and ensuring that the round is fully seated prior to firing. Having to tap the forward assist every time you insert a fresh magazine does take a couple of extra seconds, and when this step is not necessary, that's a few seconds that fire is not being directed downrange.

The operation of the forward assist is actually quite simple. On the right side of the bolt are several stepped grooves cut into it. The forward assist when pushed will connect it with one of those grooves, and by pushing the assist all the way forward it pretty much manually pushes the bolt fully forward.

All soldiers are taught SPORTS during Basic Rifle Marksmanship. The "T" stands for "Tap the forward assist", just prior to squeezing the trigger. Again, this is part of a malfunction clearing and not normal firing procedure. Other weapons such as the M249 SAW do not use a forward assist because they fire from the open bolt, and of course a bolt-action weapon will always be fully seated when the bolt has been locked forward (handle fully down). Weapons that fire from the closed bolt and do not use a forward assist are known to have more common problems after they have been fired for a while, due to carbon buildup.

I would agree that having seperate reload animations depending on the state of the weapon would be nice, but I can also see how the game engine might have its limits. Based on the Dev response that each weapon can only have one reload animation, I think the current one isn't too bad considering the options.

My personal method for reloading was to use my trigger finger to press the magazine release while my left hand was already reaching for a fresh mag. By the time the empty was free of the weapon, my left hand was inserting the fresh one. Once it was locked in, I simply used my left thumb to press the bolt release while my fingers were still wrapped around the mag. Total reload time was only 2-3 seconds from empty to Go Time.

Ninja2dan wrote:All soldiers are taught SPORTS during Basic Rifle Marksmanship. The "T" stands for "Tap the forward assist", just prior to squeezing the trigger. Again, this is part of a malfunction clearing and not normal firing procedure.

Interesting. With the SA80 you always tap the charging handle forwards to forward assist.

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With the SA80A1 it was used as blockages occured regularily, however with the A2, it is standard drill, but not entirely needed as it is a lot more reliable.

MaxBoZ wrote:Not true, When its Dry it does pull the charging handle.. and when its NOT dry it doesnt, the CoD4 reloads are correct..

You are correct. I noticed it while whoring the M4 today.

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Aye in COD 4, if you reload half way through a mag, all you do is take out the old one, and put the new one in, no cocking, no forward aassist, nada.

In the case of BF2/ PR, the tapping of the forward assist isn't really necessary. Pulling the charging handle completely to the rear, and letting the bolt ride home is normally more than enough force to seat the bolt. But, as another poster stated, tapping it is usually just force of habit for most service members.

The forward assist was implemented after combat patrols in Vietnam experienced weapon malfunctions; trying to stay undetected, patrol members would try and chamber a round as silently as they could, but, with no forward assist in the early M-16's, most often the round would just go boom, and injure the servicemember! This happened because the force/ momentum that normally chambered a round was taken out of the equation with a manual load. Hence, the forward assist! Seating your bolt since 1960-whatever!