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Jonny wrote:and by default no damage if the vehicle is burning

No damage if the vehicle is burning? It's a **burning** vehicle and you expect not to get some burnwounds and such?

Jonny wrote:Bullet severed the brakes.

RPG is lining up on the car from a high point, if you jump out quick you will roll down a slope to safety.

Your column has been ambushed by MANY RPGs, one is aimed at your car.

Your sections APC has been spotted by a tank, you just got behind a short building at high speed and the APC cant stop.

An enemy tank is following your vehicle, if you jump you will be hidden and survive.

An enemy APC is following your vehicle, if you jump you will be hidden and survive.

An enemy RPG is aiming at your vehicle, if you jump you will be hidden and survive.

Some one threw a bomb in the rear window.

and so on....

ps:
I agree with less damage at low speeds, and by default no damage if the vehicle is burning.

Well of course you would under those circumstances.
But you would "lose health" in RL.

See, I believe some people are mis-understanding the suggestion. We are NOT suggesting that that humvee can roll down the street top speed and the people can jump out safely. If you jump out of a vehicle moving top speed, you'd still die. But if a vehicle is moving at SLOW speeds, like 20 MPH you'll survive, you might even lose some HP. But you wont be bleeding, and you wont die. Just like in real life.

It just makes me angry, when i get out of humvee to drop a rally point, and driver decides to move alittle bit and i start bleeding. And APC dont always stop to deploy troops. I seen a video of a bmp driving well troops deploy out back. I will post video when i find.

Colt556 wrote:See, I believe some people are mis-understanding the suggestion. We are NOT suggesting that that humvee can roll down the street top speed and the people can jump out safely. If you jump out of a vehicle moving top speed, you'd still die. But if a vehicle is moving at SLOW speeds, like 20 MPH you'll survive, you might even lose some HP. But you wont be bleeding, and you wont die. Just like in real life.

First i would like you to jump out of a car going 20mph in full gear.

Waaah_Wah wrote:First i would like you to jump out of a car going 20mph in full gear.

Ok, this is getting annoying. Can someone please state the reasons why people think full gear would HARM the soldier doing this? That gear is suppose to protect them from bullets, even explosions. It's DESIGNED to take kinetic energy, so shouldn't it HELP the soldier falling? Seriously, this makes NO sense to me and I wanna know why everyone feels the need to say having full gear would harm the soldier.

Colt556 wrote:Ok, this is getting annoying. Can someone please state the reasons why people think full gear would HARM the soldier doing this? That gear is suppose to protect them from bullets, even explosions. It's DESIGNED to take kinetic energy, so shouldn't it HELP the soldier falling? Seriously, this makes NO sense to me and I wanna know why everyone feels the need to say having full gear would harm the soldier.

Gear=weight
Weight=more stress on limbs/joints etc
More stress=mroe chance of frature, breaks, sprains etc etc.

Unless you jump out chest first your body armour isn't going to do much. Bullets and exploision are different from peircing impact. Just look at medieval armour, those that were good against swords, such as chainlink, were not effetcive against arrows or blunt trauma weapons such as hammers and maces.


Perhaps a bit more of sliding scale of low speed damage rather than the rather sharp rise to fatal damage would be best. But you should still get hurt a fair amount, especially as injuries to limbs etc can't eb portrayed in PR.

Colt556 wrote:Ok, this is getting annoying. Can someone please state the reasons why people think full gear would HARM the soldier doing this? That gear is suppose to protect them from bullets, even explosions. It's DESIGNED to take kinetic energy, so shouldn't it HELP the soldier falling? Seriously, this makes NO sense to me and I wanna know why everyone feels the need to say having full gear would harm the soldier.

i direct impact from a bullet is very different than a impact of falling

Colt556 wrote:Ok, this is getting annoying. Can someone please state the reasons why people think full gear would HARM the soldier doing this? That gear is suppose to protect them from bullets, even explosions. It's DESIGNED to take kinetic energy, so shouldn't it HELP the soldier falling? Seriously, this makes NO sense to me and I wanna know why everyone feels the need to say having full gear would harm the soldier.

Put on a 30kg backpack and jump from 1 meter altitude. Just try. Or jump out of a car moving 20mph. Please try it.

Why don't you? Seriously stop being stupid, noones gonna test it because if they're wrong they will get hurt. And they aren't jumping straight down dude, they're jumping and rolling across the ground. Last time I checked, NO car is 1 meter off the ground. At most they'd drop a foot and hit the ground and roll. I'd imagine all that padding would help them roll, as it'd protect them.

Instead of saying stupid things like "Put on a backpack and jump off something" why don't you get all the padding you can find, kneepads, shoulder pads, a vest, a helmet and whatnot. Have your friend drive a car at about 10-20 MPH, and then roll out. THAT would be a better example then "a 30 KG backpack jumping down the stairs"

Also, they'd dive out sideways of a moving car, so they'd roll and I'd imagine their chest armor, helmet, knee, and elbow pads would take majority of the stress. I mean the way you guys talk about it it makes me think they're jumping out of a friggen helicopter, they're a foot off the ground going 20 MPH, while they'd be hurt, I'd imagine all their padding would help negate the impact.

I'd like to get a real military person in here. It just seems illogical that PADDING would hurt a guy rolling across the ground, and I'm hesitant to listen to a bunch of arm-chair generals tell me so, can we get like a military advisor in here to tell us if rolling across the ground at 10-20 MPH would seriously hurt a soldier in gear?

Colt556 wrote:This guy does have a point, you can't exactly animate the soldier rolling when jumping out, so just make it so it only does real damage when at high speeds, and just say the soldier rolled. We use a lot of metaphors in PR, this is just one more to compensate for a lame and uncooperative engine.

Actually, you can. You know the roll animation, when you go prone and are pressing a left right key? and it has that animation where you roll on the ground? I think that can spark something.

Jonny wrote:All this padding is gonna scrape against the ground.

Scraping =/= stress on joints.

So very little stress on joins and so very little harm.

Knee pads are designed to stop you hurting yourself if that kind of thing happens.

Although I do agree that 20mph is a bit much, you should START to be damaged at a speed of 15mph, but only very very slightly. You should start to bleed at 20-25 mph.

Stress on the joints I suppose, but how is it any worse then your skin scraping across the ground? Your skin doesn't exactly float harmlessly across the road. So you still get stress on your joints, but with all the padidng you don't get cut up by teh gravel so you don't bleed out all over the place. It's probably less painfull too. I'm sure if the soldier did it endlessly he'd start seeing serious problems, but once or twice I'm sure he'd be fine.

i've seen documentary of CF troops exiting the back of a moving LAV, jumping out the side of course you're gonna get hurt but the back is where you can drop out safely and lose speed by jogging when you hit the ground with your feet or sisde stepping depending on how you get out. as well heli insertions are often done where the chopper has the doors open, just a foot or 2 off the ground and moving maybe 10-20 km/h across a field with men dropping out and hit the ground standing, no roll.

Although you may or may not die when jumping out a vehicle in real life, there are VERY few situations in Project Reality that would merit jumping out a moving vehicle. This damage prevents smacktardery.

Only thing worthy is knee-sliding just like when you bail on a huge vert skate ramp.

Colt556 wrote:Stress on the joints I suppose, but how is it any worse then your skin scraping across the ground?

Joints go snap. Not to mention twisting and spraining. Its this rather than a few cuts a nd bruises which are the real risks.

Unless you're going out knee pads first, its your feet that are going to take the brunt in a jump.

If you read my whole post I agreed with what you said to a certain degree, but in PR you can't have a % chance of twisting ankle, breaking ankle, slight scratch, nothing at X speed. So a little bit of damage at all but walking pace would be the best way of reflecting this risk, a certain low damage.

Like a said, damage should be more scalable to speed than currently, with less low end damage.

Actually Katarn, you'd be surprised how often the need arises to bail out of a moving vehicle ricky-tick. In my short stint in PR I've allready had several incidents that required me to bail out before the car was stopped, every time I died. Not to mention those annoying incidents where you get in a jeep and as it begins to move you accidently hop out and die, had that happen a couple times too. Even a slight bleed would be acceptable since you can get some bandages, but flat out death is just too much.