Project Reality Forums

Single shot. Just thought I'd point out Muslims believe in Jesus Christ too. He is in the Koran too.

On the matter of a regional middle eastern armed force supporting terrorism:

The official answer is no.

However, individual members of the force no doubt have loyalties to their respective country (including those under attack by the west and their allies). They will have lost family and freinds or they could simply have joined the regional force to supply weapons and learn how to train. It's not like it didn't happenb in Iraq with the police force and the army.

This being said, I doubt they'd support the PKK.

single.shot (nor) wrote:NO WAY!!

the middle eastern coalition is a lawful society and therefore against terrorism and are no terrorists.

since theyre (probably) modern muslims, they'll be thinking that the taliban and al-qaeda are using their holy text (the quaran) aqainst its purposes. the quaran is like a bible to them
and serves similar use.

Who says the PR-insurgents are terrorists following the al-quaedia version of islam? They might as well be non-religious pro-MEC rebels fighting to support the MEC troops in the same region (Talibans on the Afghan maps being the exception - but maybe China would support them?).

And do you really think they will hold on to their beliefs and ideology that hard that they will ignore a chance to weaken their Western enemies? Remember; the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Insurgents fights brits/americans. MEC fights brits/americans. In other words; if they in some way don't work together they are stupid.

Still, as someone else mentioned, I don't see how this kit will come to use. A better rifle and a sidearm... That's it?

Tannhauser wrote:There is no rule that defines MEC as a Pro or Anti insurgents army. As much as US did send SFS to help insurgents that would go against ennemies of US, nothing says MEC, PLA or UK can't do it. However, don't get me wrong there ; MEC vs Insurgents IS possible. As much possible as PLA vs Ins/smugglers.

Don't start defining exact ideas of MEC. MEC is fictionnal and not necessarly opfor, it can be friendly too, like ANA and Saudi Arabian Army are. ... mkay?

On another hand, I think it's pretty much useless of a kit ; It does not fulfill any specific prupose other than being a uber insurgent, wich is not worth the work then. I agree Insurgents should have more variety of kits, but that's not so useful.
Otherwise, the XFaction Advisor should have proper weapons : MEC uses HK weapons, so that's what he should have. Anything else you guys suggested to be in the kit makes other Insurgent kits useless, hence making it a bad idea. If it's a pickup kit, it's not better as it will be the l33t n3w 50. C4l l0l0l0l!!!1!!...

how is one or 2 kits going to make all the other insurgent kits useless? and its not much work to add it in, like one of the DEVs said they used to have a SF on the insurgent side. The model is already there, its from the SF expansion pack. and yea he should have proper weapons, HK whatever I dont really care what he uses it just want it ingame.

and can everyone please lay off the religious/political bs this is just a game suggestion chill out. i got my inspiration for this from captured iranian quds forces in iraq.

Maybe limit the Advisor to the CO position? One advisor kit, only requestable if you're the CO.

That's kind of a waste to go through all that trouble just so 1 man out of 64 can use that kit. I don't like the idea, really, it seems to make the insurgents even better. (and for when I have played insurgents already win every time) plus what will a CO of the insurgents do? Just seems like another Lone Wolf. Plus people will want to be commander just for the kit, they won't actually command.

I like idea of a requestable kit, don't replace the officer (terror cell leader is different than advisor). Also, the Military Advisor kit should be a special kit for Insurgents (reference PR manual for definition of "special kit")

i wonder why it was removed...

Ech, somehow this entire thread smells of racism to me, or maybe I'm just being overcritical.

Just because they're both from the Mid-East, doesn't mean they're automatically allied.

Well there's one thing I have to add. You're forgetting that this is still just a game and politics shouldn't play any role here.
Tell me how many of you actually care which factions are allied or whatever when you're on the server taking fire from enemy players, looking at suppression effect and trying to find a way to get out of that situation without dying? I bet none of you give a fifth of a **** about politics while playing online.

However such kit could add something to the gameplay which is always good.
I've always wondered why are there just 5 spawnable kits for insurgents like they're a conventional force. It's possible to have 5 spawnable kits for conventional force against 7 (or 8 can't remember) spawnable insurgent kits. Add more models to make them look more like IRL where every insurgent looks different since they're just a bunch of civilians with a rag and sandals holding a firearm. More spawnable kits for insurgents would be good and more weapons could be used since the AK47 and SKS are not the only weapons used by insurgents.

And personally I would like to see the return of 0.5 war veteran with MEC player model and old MEC skin that used to have a G3

disagree on the validity of having mec advisor for insurgents... a MEC vs. Insurgents would be a more realistic scenario for the reasons i will illustrate in another post.

i dont think this thread is racist at all.

at ryan d ale

yes jesus is mentioned in the bible, however he's not divine. hes considered a great prophet.


yeah and i also think that it makes no sense to have an advisor in the field, as i believe most advisors are off- field training ppl, instead of acctually killeng them.

Guys, I may be backseat moderating, but get of the whole Jesus/muslim thing, its very boring.

TheScot666 wrote:Guys, I may be backseat moderating, but get of the whole Jesus/muslim thing, its very boring.

Agreed, this thread is about Conventional Military Advisors for Unconventional Forces, not anything religious or racist.

I think this is a cool idea.It could be like how the Green Berets,CIA and etc. train militias,and militant groups up.An MEC Special Forces guy,which could be the advisor/helper of the insurgent group could be there as a "Special Forces" requestable kit.But these kits should be quite limited.

(AND,YES,Get back on topic guys..)

Yeah, definately moving on from the whole religion bit.
Also, the thread may be a bit racist for automatically allying MEC and Insurgents, but if there was a Middle Eastern Coalition fighting America/GB, I'm pretty sure they'd be happy to support some local Insurgents. It's like the NVA and the Viet-Cong, NVA's was an Army and the VC were guerillas. VC got support from NVA.

Yeah, definately moving on from the whole religion bit.
Also, the thread may be a bit racist for automatically allying MEC and Insurgents

practically condradicting yourself..Don't bring up racism..I fail to see how this is...It does make sense though for the MEC to be supporting the Ins...As the MEC pretty much portrays a "bad guy" because the U.S. and GB and etc. are the ones fighting them...

agentscar wrote:practically condradicting yourself..Don't bring up racism..I fail to see how this is...It does make sense though for the MEC to be supporting the Ins...As the MEC pretty much portrays a "bad guy" because the U.S. and GB and etc. are the ones fighting them...

You critize him for bringing up the political diskussions and then follows up with calling MEC "bad guys" with the motivation that they fights the US/British alliance? Quit it. To me it looks like you just dodn't want to miss an opportunity to tell us all how great the British and Americans are.

Supporting this idea and just stamping the MEC as "baddies" as your motivation is stupid. The reason that they would support insurgents fighting Americans is not only because they are "bad" but also that it would be the smartest thing to do. The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

charliegrs wrote:how is one or 2 kits going to make all the other insurgent kits useless? and its not much work to add it in, like one of the DEVs said they used to have a SF on the insurgent side.

Then why was it removed?
+ I meant that with all that was suggested to be in the kit in this thread (ammo bags, Medipack, grenades, whatever crapish thing they could be equipped with), if the kit was easy to get it would make the other insurgent kits less useful. That would make everyone go at the l33t SFAdvizorz kit that looks cool and has all the uber stuff Insurgents dont usualy get. If it is a pickup kit, it would somehow end up like teh uber 50Cal, and if it is requestable, then it should have a precise use wich it doesn't have.

What's the point of the kit ingame apart of being cool? Would it fulfill a precise task like a medic, DMR, SAW, engineer or officer would? If it has no use then it would be a waste of time and man power to make it.
Otherwise, well it would be cool yeah, but not so usefull.

good lord my thread has been accused of political nonsense, religious nonsense, and now racism? thanks for helping to get my thread locked...

I like the idea, but I think it should be kept simmilar to the old one that was in basrah .5
just reskinned, you know keep the ski mask, edit the camo to be more realistic. But for the love of all that is holy and sacred do NOT give him a g3...