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I generally stayed away from the MEC teams, and just used training (especially the desert) as just a way to get used to the game mechanics. Particular weapons and that kind of stuff would come from in game experience, but as long as I figured out how to use the weapons, the vehicles, and adjust to the control changes, it wasn't too bad.

Although there wouldn't be any targets without the MEC

stay off the training servers, get some mates together and create a local server with hamachi.

I think we have to face that kids on training servers is better than kids on normal servers. We all know that lots of new players come to the mod for the first month or so. Luckily the mod is designed to appeal to the more dedicated, tactical person so these kiddies should get bored quickly.

To be honest, i've rarely had problems like this on servers. The servers I play on are fine, well adminned (most of the time), and I always see team work. Sure there's the occasional sniper who goes it alone thinking kills are all that matter, but they don't bother the rest of the team.

Obviously I don't play enough.

Well it's pretty hellish on the servers at times but that doesn't mean the training servers are not useful. Thanks to the battleforce one I can now take down practically any jet/helo with the tunguksa within 800m regardless of vector in 5 secs of firing with the cannon.

I spent an entire hour teaching someone how all the different vehicles worked, from apc's to tanks and helos. His name was hellivore or something similar and he learned very quickly, being able to go from "I can zoom in tanks? ah cool" to -takes out tunguska with hellfire- in about 20 mins.

It was a very rewarding experience, teaching a newbie all the tricks of each vehicle and it taught me a few of the 0.8 changes to them. I heartily recommend the training servers if you have a limited amount of time to kill or you feel like "educating" the guys

See you on the battlefield, gents.

I'm fairly happy the public training servers are like that, so an extent it saves fools like that coming into the main games unaware how to fly etc.

Training servers run by your clan, team, community adminned and passworded well managed are clearly different, i guess the training servers serve different needs at different times.

There is also a place for a public training server run by a dedicated person, with rules posted on conduct etc. That way you can attract the people you want into the server, personally i would be happy to see this.

Well, let me tell you why I get on training mode: To practice my technique with my squad mates, and without opponents. USA team on Kashan is ideal for this. But when I'm trying to practice my Bunker insertion with my squad, and kindly ask the MEC to "not shoot the black hawk", due to EVERYTHING ELSE on the map actually trying to kill them, what happens?

OP'd tunguska fire rapes me out of the air before I can even start descending.


tbh, I agree with the 'nilla kiddies for once. If you don't want to get endlessly futt bucked, spawn as USA, or go to that one training server that has autobalance on.(used to be my favorite training server before the autobalance) Some of us actually want to train using the air assets, gonna have to deal with that.




Oh, and SuperTimo: I tried that once, it didn't work.

Hamachi works, we do it all the time for custom BR files.

What you need to do to make it work is 1) make sure the hoster of the LAN has his firewalls configured

use the IP of the person hosting the LAN, this may be different than the IP of teh hamachi hoster

but anyways, we at iGi are aware of this problem and are going to configure our server appropriately, details will follow

well if it brings the older vBF2 players then I dont mind.
If it brings the 8-10 year olds though....god I cringe when I hear that high pitched voice over voip, thinking its cool to cuss with the older guys...

Ive never had such a bad experience in any training server. I usually get together will three or four other guys and we laze targets in the middle of no where to avoid AA or man two attack helos and try our luck at the bombing range. Overall my time spent in the training servers, albeit limited have been very good.

Hi, I am new here ,but here is my thought on it. Why don't you guys just make maps purely for training. With kill houses, bombing ranges, all the things an actual Military training facility would have. People could test out things and get used to game mechanics without having to worry about all the things you have described in this thread.

Troubadour wrote:Hi, I am new here ,but here is my thought on it. Why don't you guys just make maps purely for training. With kill houses, bombing ranges, all the things an actual Military training facility would have. People could test out things and get used to game mechanics without having to worry about all the things you have described in this thread.

Because it is a lot of work.

(I'm not a dev, but that's pretty much it)

Training mode is great, if you dont like getting spawn raped then dont play kashan desert. And if you spawn on a base called "Bombing range" dont expect to live long. I'm one of those "kiddies" you speak of, telling you "IT'S TRAINING!!!" when you complain that i'm spawn camping or whatever. Happens no matter what side i'm on. The problem with your argument is their are zero flags that can be captured, so are we supposed to just text message each other a meeting spot out in the desert to have a fight? Hell no, i'm gonna hunt you down where ever you are, which in most cases is the spawn.

As for us "Kiddies" doing stuff like one manning vehicles, crashing, spawn camping, and general stupidity. I say again, it's training. If they have no consequences to actions then why not? I mean if i had to wait a minute to spawn and then another 20mins for the chopper to spawn, i wouldn't be dive bombing an AAV with a littlebird, or one manning the attack chopper. I would be playing like i do in normal servers. I'm on training servers to just mess around, push my limits to the max, try new/stupid things, waste assets/kits/etc. Isn't that what it was made for?

I can't believe i was even threatened to be banned on Battleforces(i think thats the clans name) training server. By an admin/clan member. It was on that battle of quiling or whatever its called. We were getting all shot up at our airport so we faught back and finally destroyed the attacking aircraft. A little annoyed at being base raped, we decided to do the same to them. So a squad mate and i jumped in the attack chopper, flew over their and proceeded to base rape them like champions. After somthing like 20 kills (while they only had maybe 5 players) they started messaging us saying stop or you will be banned. So we backed off and let the poor guys get in their toys again. And started a text argument about it being training, and why are we getting banned for being the better base rapers.

I've been base raped and killed while spawning many times on training servers. And i wouldn't want it any other way. Seems like the OP wants a mode where you have a designated fight area and everyone outside that area can have a combat jack ti'll the cows come home. Sounds boring.

" Bombing Range " is for bombing. The spawn rape range is for spawn rape...
Tanks do not drop bombs. APC's do not drop bombs. Soldiers do not drop bombs. So why are they at the bombing range Spawn rapeing?

I thought kiddies could read. I did not complain about the bombs. Read the post before you have a temper tantrum. If you read the description for the training maps it will tell you that they are for the players to train. That includes the MEC. And just so you know, the bombing range is not the only place you can be spawn raped. It can be all 3 spawn points. And it can be the US airfeilds.

You can sit an apache, tank, apc or soldiers at any 3 mec spawn points and kill them before they can move. And when the teams are 30 versus 3 what are the odds of spawning at one of the points that is not being raped? Heck you can even keep blowing up the MEC bunker and limit them to 2 spawn points.

I am glad that your are proud to be a kiddie! Your mom might buy you a new bicycle for your superior achievements at spawn rapeing! Congradulations.

It happens because of the poorly thought design.

The 0.75 Kashan training was much better, both MEC and US had tanks and jets and you could have massive dog fights etc. not this ****, where US can fly every single asset and MEC is there to spawn in the middle of a field and die 100 times. At least put the spawns into the bunkers along with the flags and the Tunguska's.

Even better, just get rid of the MEC team for training.

First, your the one that called me a 'kiddie' since i was one of the many pointing out, that its training. I never said i was proud of the title you've given us, i just used it so you could understand where i stand on this.

Whats this "spawn rape range" you speak of? Infantry range? Am i only allowed to approach a spawn point on foot? If they didnt mean for us to go to ALL the enemy spawn points there would be an off limits zone like in normal games.

I've kicked *** on both sides in kashan, so i'm confused about what your going on about. 3 vs 30, great more targets. I only spawn camp the USA when i get bored of waiting for those 30 guys to get off their asses and come get some. APCs/Tanks/etc camping main? You have an unlimited supply of HAT kits.

Honestly tho, what are you complaining about, the players? We're just doing what the map is setup for. Or is it the maps' setup you don't like? Theres other maps. Or training mode in general? Fine, you don't have to play. It seems like you want training to be really easy for everyone involved, which wouldn't help in training much. You could always start a local game, if you want to test out the equipment without getting killed constantly. Or heres a wild thought, you could adapt to whats going on in the training servers, and train with whatever is called for.

Outlawz wrote:It happens because of the poorly thought design.

The 0.75 Kashan training was much better, both MEC and US had tanks and jets and you could have massive dog fights etc. not this ****, where US can fly every single asset and MEC is there to spawn in the middle of a field and die 100 times. At least put the spawns into the bunkers along with the flags and the Tunguska's.

Even better, just get rid of the MEC team for training.

Agreed! With this set-up the public trainin servers are bound for the current gameplay. What other reason to "live" have the MEC got on kashan than to get spawnraped! Tried yesterday with a couple of MEC guys to fight back but you cant! Because of the new flare system its not possible to get a lock with the AA so its tunguska in the bunker ( if you can get it in there ) or HAT kits

Training mode is good for local gameplay or for clans wanting to practice some stuff. Not for public gameplay. At least not the way it was intended to go.

cyberzomby wrote:Agreed! With this set-up the public trainin servers are bound for the current gameplay. What other reason to "live" have the MEC got on kashan than to get spawnraped! Tried yesterday with a couple of MEC guys to fight back but you cant! Because of the new flare system its not possible to get a lock with the AA so its tunguska in the bunker ( if you can get it in there ) or HAT kits

Training mode is good for local gameplay or for clans wanting to practice some stuff. Not for public gameplay. At least not the way it was intended to go.

Trust me you can beat the USMC when the teams are 30 vs 3 and youre getting spawn raped - heres how :

Smoke the spawn ( may take about 10 lives )

HAT snipe the armour on the hills.

Manpad the helis.

Snipe the spotters on the hills.

Get in AA and run for a bunker - dont get in armour until youve done the above or youll be lazed - infantry cant be lazed .

Take your tunguska to USMC jet base and have some fun

Take down the helis when they come over to take you out ( theyre usually one manned )

Prepare for USMC to whine about how unfair youre being


USMC solution to the above :

Pick up a f**king HAT kit and fire one shot.

EDIT : When picking up kits, if youre out of ammo for say the AA kit, request another kit, pick it up and then request another AA kit

Basrah Training Mode isn't such a noobfest in my experiance, though more assets to play with would have been nice.

'[R-DEV wrote:Masaq;798068']Never mind the fact that every single PR player played vBF2 originally, so calling vBF2 players "kiddies" isn't really a smart idea.

OP: quit being a snob, suck it up and teach the new guys how to play PR Yeah the training mode needs work but just insulting people isn't going to make it any better.

i Still play vanilla