New Force Suggestion: Russia

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Pence wrote:HELL NO, There are more issues that need to be adressed than there ever will be on BF2! It should have never gottern through testing.

Issues like you can shoot trough walls, Invisable obsticals, lessened gameplay, no anti-cheat, a broken server filter, tecnical issues, no editing tools - to name a few.
Lol, all the bugs u metioned above use to be in BF2 v1.0 :lol: apart from BF2 did have some sort of anti-cheat that didnt really work back then, and still dont.

Im suprised about that. Ive allways regarded activision as a good company after there games like RTCW ect. but ive never been a cod fan so i wouldnt know about cod much.

but it did take EA a long time to get out its first patch, but COD2 has been out for how long now?
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Post by GeZe »

Weapons:

Snipier (.50 Cal): KSVK 12.7 - http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn50-e.htm
This is Russia's M95. A true sniper rifle unlike the SVD.

Assualt: AN-94 - http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm
The AK 101 waas developed for the international arms market. The new Russian rifle for internal use is the above rifle. Hasn't completely replaced the AK though as not enough money (though by the time the game is set everyone should have one though.)
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Post by Demio »

Umm, it would make much more sense to have Russia fighting the MECS or maybe China than anything else.

Russia is pretty much an ally of europe and the western countries now, this is not cold war anymore...
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GeZe wrote:Weapons:

Snipier (.50 Cal): KSVK 12.7 - http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn50-e.htm
This is Russia's M95. A true sniper rifle unlike the SVD.

Assualt: AN-94 - http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm
The AK 101 waas developed for the international arms market. The new Russian rifle for internal use is the above rifle. Hasn't completely replaced the AK though as not enough money (though by the time the game is set everyone should have one though.)
Like i said, would have lots of arear to exspand in weapons.
Umm, it would make much more sense to have Russia fighting the MECS or maybe China than anything else.

Russia is pretty much an ally of europe and the western countries now, this is not cold war anymore...
Its simpal, just say that russia is fighting aginst the USA and UK for oil. Would make so much more intresting battles as the MEC would never adventure into russia and china probaly wouldnt.
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Post by JellyBelly »

Good idea. If PRM did move into a european theatre in later versions, this would be fun.
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I could see Russia vs. China, this would be with the snow maps. I'm thinking a fight over Mongolia or China invading Siberia to get it's Oil.

I could also see MEC vs. Russia. Maybe the MEC are aiding Chechyne Rebels (fellow Muslims) and the Russians attack them to cut off there Help.

Russia vs. UK+US is also possible. Maybe Russia is trying to stop the eastern republics from entering the EU (Ukraine)?
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Post by Rhino »

Ukraine sounds too POE2, but russia for oil sounds abit like POE1, so ye
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Post by [T]Terranova7 »

Actually, I'm certain it does snow in Northern China. China actually features virtually every envirnoment in the world, just no extremes. You guys sure about having 5 armies? Especially seeing just how expansive the Russian armed forces are. I would happen to think since the Chinese did move into the pacific, that Japan and Taiwan would be the prime choices to add. Not to mention I can't see where Russia would fit into the current war.
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Post by Rhino »

there isnt any "current war" as such. Not like BF2 has a story line and PR dont have 1 yet ither but might in the future u just dont know.

I think Russia vs China would be good as they do shear a border. Maby just every 1 can hate russia? or russia hate every one?
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Post by [T]Terranova7 »

If thats the case, we might as well shoot for a free for all, where the U.K invades the U.S, the MEC takes over Russia and China.. well you see the point. Even though BF2 didn't give this conflict any tangible storyline does not mean we should assume that there isn't one.
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ye i do agree but whats to say Russia turning back into a super power and declaring war on all for more oil? It worked for POE1 didnt it.

let me copy and paste there story line:
Point of Existence // Battlefield Vietnam Modification




In late 2005, a Russian mineral exploration company discovered a series of large oilfields in southern Sudan. Sudan’s Military government, with its ability to hold the newly revitalised Sudanese People’s Liberation Army at bay beginning to falter, decided this new source of oil was its one sure-fire way to hold onto power. The new problem was that this new oil source was located in the rebellions traditional stronghold in the countries non-Arab, non-Islamic south. With the 2002-2003 cease fire agreement having broken down, and political opposition parties in the North of the country making a common cause with the rebels in the south, the Islamic-Militarist government found itself faced with the prospect that it may be overthrown.

The solution they came up with, was to forge an agreement with Russia, that it would sign over all of the profits from the new sources of oil and gas to Russia, in return for help keeping the rebels at bay, but under the pretense of providing economic aid, cheaper generic branded HIV medication, and help in improving road, highway and long range telecommunication infrastructure.

Russia accepted the deal, not because they believed the regime should be in power, but because they saw an immediate need for cheap oil in Russia. Although Russia has some of the largest oil deposits in the world, much of it is stuck below hundreds of metres of permafrost, the cost of extraction and transportation from the remote, frostbitten areas forcing the price of the oil sky high, and creating an extreme burden on Russia’s economically important long-distance heavy transportation industry.

When the new oil deal was announced, this enflamed the conflict with the SPLA even further, although they hated being oppressed by an Islamic/Military regime, they believed at least the current regimes economic policies were smart, and were benefiting the overall economic status of the country, by slowly implementing IMF macroeconomic strategies. Without the economic benefit of this oil, the SPLA believed the large problem of increasing Sudan’s per capita output would be adversely affected, but most of all they realised the government was doing it to raise help in holding the SPLA and other rebel groups at bay.

Sudan’s neighbouring countries also took umbrage. They felt that by giving the oil to the Russians, they had been passed over. They were of the opinion that the oil should have been sold to them, thereby keeping the wealth in Africa. These countries, which had a history of allowing the Sudanese rebels to conduct insurgencies from within their borders (although they all denied it) were now openly hostile towards the Sudanese government, and began to not just allow the rebels to conduct insurgencies from within their countries across the border, but a few countries, the most aggressive of which was Kenya, went so far as to provide small scale air support before raids, and helicopter reconnaissance after raids, to ensure the area was empty.

Although Sudan knew this was happening, they had no way of proving it, and Sudan and Kenya edged closer to war.

Kenya, knowing Sudan would almost certainly have the operational assistance of Russia in the event of war, began a series of diplomatic maneuverings in an attempt to get the USA to promise operational assistance to them in the event of war. The USA would not have a bar of it, assuming Russia would say that “It is none of our business, it’s a local issue” and not actually even come close to promising assistance to Sudan in a war with Kenya, after all, the US already knew Russia was only their to get oil and advise the Sudanese government on how to suppress a pending uprising, they were not there to help fight in someone else’s international dispute.

When it was soon discovered just how much oil was involved, (a surprise to both Russia and the USA), The USA suddenly became far more interested in the dispute, especially when found that the eastern most oilfield partially lay across the borders of Sudan, Kenya, Ethiopia and Uganda.

The USA decided that if it stepped into the dispute on the side of Kenya, they could use the threat to make Russia agree to share the eastern most oilfields with them. The USA approached Kenya with an offer to help them, but rather than just provide strategic advisers, they would need to send a sizable contingent of troops ‘to protect the advisers’. Kenya Jumped at the chance, and when Russia figured out what was going on, they were outraged, and refused to share the oil at all, and asserted that because the vast percentage of the fields lay in Sudan, that the oil under the other countries was theirs too, especially as it was a Russian company that discovered the deposits.

The USA decided to apply more preassure, they immediately sent more troops to the area, and the dispute immediately became two tiered, the Sudanese – Kenyan conflict on one hand, and the Russian-American conflict on the other. The Russians decided they were not going to bow to such preassure, so began sending tens of thousands of their own troops to the region.

By now, 2 years of diplomatic maneuvering, counter-maneuvering, political rhetoric and military build-up had passed, now 2007, the conflict has grown much larger than just two small third world nations bickering, but is now two of the worlds heavyweights arguing in someone else’s country.

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Post by Peter-SAS »

Russia is in no-fit state to be a super-power again. The average life expectancy is about 56. Their elite are all moving out of a sinking ship (to london :D )

Though, they are becoming increasinly anti-american (who isn't) and have been doing a lot of things against the interests of the west, even since Putin came into power.

They have nukes though. But if they were ever to fight against others, it would be proxy warfare, industrial and financial warfare, smuggling nukes out to terrorists etc
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Post by [T]Terranova7 »

PoE1's storyline though is alot different from the current situation. Here we have China, the MEC and the U.K. Fighting over oil here would be alot more costly with 4 other nations competing over the same resources. Especially iin such a hostile environment such as the middle-east. At this rate it almost become WW3.

Only thing I can see happening is because the MEC uses the latest Russian exports, that in exchange for military equipment the MEC allows Russia to utilize some of their oil reserves. For whatever reason the U.S and U.K decide to attack the MEC, Russia and China back up the MEC to protect their own oil supplies within the middle-east. However as stated, Russia and China are only in this to protect their own oil supplies held in the middle-east, and have no desire to side with the MEC. Thus the Russian, Chinese and MEC only have a mutual agreement.
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Terranova wrote:Only thing I can see happening is because the MEC uses the latest Russian exports, that in exchange for military equipment the MEC allows Russia to utilize some of their oil reserves. For whatever reason the U.S and U.K decide to attack the MEC, Russia and China back up the MEC to protect their own oil supplies within the middle-east. However as stated, Russia and China are only in this to protect their own oil supplies held in the middle-east, and have no desire to side with the MEC. Thus the Russian, Chinese and MEC only have a mutual agreement.
Sounds gd to me :)
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Post by Ninjo »

Due to China's increasing growth and pressure on them from the American invasion which has recently occured they decide to invade across the Russian borders. During the same period the constant aid of the MEC to Chechen rebels has caused Russia to strike back against the MEC. MEC and China become allies because of the common enemy of Russia. The US/UK alliance steps in to aid Russia in their dual front war, and also to finish the battles with the two country's they had fought against in preceding wars (the battles in BF2) which have been ended due to legislation passed against them.

So basically Russia, UK, US vs. MEC, China
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Pence wrote:HELL NO, There are more issues that need to be adressed than there ever will be on BF2! It should have never gottern through testing.

Issues like you can shoot trough walls, Invisable obsticals, lessened gameplay, no anti-cheat, a broken server filter, tecnical issues, no editing tools - to name a few.
I have not encountered ANY issues with CoD2 so far, and I'm in the middle of the American Campaign (the final one). I haven't seen or even heard anyone (but you) actually complaining about CoD2 or issues.


"There are more issues that need to be adressed than there ever will be on BF2!"
LOL!! What planet are you from?
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Peter-SAS wrote:Though, they are becoming increasinly anti-american (who isn't)[...]
You should go to the thread called "Robin William's Peace Plan" and read his plan. I'm not american though, but I do agree with most of the original post for obvious reasons.

Many countries (and their people) on this planet are like cats. They turn away their face so that they will not acknowledge the hand that feeds them when they're hungry. On the other hand, the "hand" that feeds them when they're hungry also pulls the cords into its own side.

It's too bad that countries that are better established cant get along better.

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Post by Pence »

Its the multiplayer thats the trouble..
Originally Posted by Terranova;
Only thing I can see happening is because the MEC uses the latest Russian exports, that in exchange for military equipment the MEC allows Russia to utilize some of their oil reserves. For whatever reason the U.S and U.K decide to attack the MEC, Russia and China back up the MEC to protect their own oil supplies within the middle-east. However as stated, Russia and China are only in this to protect their own oil supplies held in the middle-east, and have no desire to side with the MEC. Thus the Russian, Chinese and MEC only have a mutual agreement
I think we should not put China in an agreement with the MEC and Russia, China could be fighting on there own terms such as attacks on China's oilfields by the US in a bid to fule the war (without fule you cant use vehicals). China might have aroused attention to itself by supplying Chin-made variations of russian weapons to the MEC because Russia could not produce them in the numbers needed. I would like to see China as the real good guy, fighting the maruding Americans, Russians and MEC (obviously they must have fallen out with the MEC over somethink like oversteping the boarders too much or the Russians convinceing the MEC that parts of China is righly theres.
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'[R-CON wrote:Ninjo']Due to China's increasing growth and pressure on them from the American invasion which has recently occured they decide to invade across the Russian borders. During the same period the constant aid of the MEC to Chechen rebels has caused Russia to strike back against the MEC. MEC and China become allies because of the common enemy of Russia. The US/UK alliance steps in to aid Russia in their dual front war, and also to finish the battles with the two country's they had fought against in preceding wars (the battles in BF2) which have been ended due to legislation passed against them.

So basically Russia, UK, US vs. MEC, China
MEC vs Russia, thats Russian wepons vs Russian weapons with diffrent ppl holding them.... Basicly no. Put US/UK vs Russia. And maby Russia vs China.
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Post by [T]Terranova7 »

Last thing I want to see is a T-90 tank going against a T-90 tank. I can never see an "alliance" between Russia and China. Culture, governmetns and religon are the main reasons I see that.

I can't see them fighting each either, China doesn't come close to having the resources to advance through the artic conditions of Siberia, and Russia would not hesitate to deploy nuclear weapons against China if they began closing in on Moscow. Russia couldn't advance through China either, in fact I doubt any country in the world could launch any sort of offensive on China due to their manpower.

U.S andd U.K are obvious allies. The MEC really doesn't seem like they would hold any real "allies". I just see the MEC using their oil to strike deals with countries such as Russia and China. Perhaps in some sense the MEC attacked Isreal for religous or expansion purposes. That could possibly be enough for the U.S to declare war on the MEC. Perhaps with both Russia and China holding key oil wells in the middle-east, they only wish to protect their shares.

For whatever reason U.S attacks Chinese or Russian oil wells, they too enter the war. However the only cooperative alliance I can see is the U.S and U.K, since they are simular. Overall though I generally feel that oil is not enough to have 5 countries going at it.
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