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Glimmerman wrote:A Hind would be cool, but to count a troop carrying attack helo you must outfit the blackhawk with hellfires and or rocket pods.

uh why? vanilla is symetrically balanced. this isnt vanilla. we dont need every chopper to be the same with just a different model. thats so boring.

Agree, this mod needs alot more unsymetrical balance to it

people like truism ruin good ideas for us all thb

Truism wrote:The Hind should be put in true to it's real life counterpart. There are reasons why Hinds are not the world's best attack chopper. Hinds are just APCs with wings... Compared to other attack helos, they are slow and vulnerable.

yeah they are heavy gunships, but i don't know if they are THAT slow.
hind: 335 km/h (208 mph)
apache: 158 knots (182 mph, 293 km/h)
like i said, heavy gunship with kinda low maneuverability and heavy loads for fast strikes called in by other units.

Secondly, dropping off troops is pretty much the opposite of what you want to do to survive and give air support.

please, the hind was made into a milti task aircraft, so why not use that in PR and let it house a full squad? there won't be enemies EVERYWHERE at a map with the size of kashan.

Thirdly, it doesn't fire explosve shells out of the nose gun, except when it's fixed as mentioned above

didn't say that, i said that it shouldn't be able to engage while hovering for balance issues.

fourthly it's missiles don't work terribly well (and so pretty much always get fired in twos)

i don't care about small stuff like that. have them heat up really quick so you only can fire 2-3 each volley!

fifthly, compared to other attack heloes, it's easy to hit with heat seeking missiles (model this by giving it less flares)...

either that coupled with higher armor, or only include the hind on maps against insurgents and militia that won't have static anti-air placements. other maps when the russians play against conventional forces, they could have a black shark instead or something.

i know i would **** myself if i saw this coming towards me while i was setting up an ambush on a hill as insurgent/militia:

Whoever brought up the PoE Hind,yea it's nice..But the USI Hind pwns all the hinds in BF2!

I want door gunners on my hind. I say, let it rain death. If the HIND is too powerful we'll offset it with the Javelin.

Good CAS begins with Intel provided by Troops on ground (PR) I know this by gunning on Muttrah. If you have a Spotter ( which you should, and preferably the SL) Let him spot things, this makes the Gunship usage SOOOO much better. If squads would relay the info on enemy movements, then you would find this support in-game.

The real statement the vid makes is that we need Mi-17 Hip's with rocket pods (0:24)

Teek wrote:The real statement the vid makes is that we need Mi-17 Hip's with rocket pods (0:24)

please don't give the mi-17 any more attention. i was hoping for the ka-60 killer whale as the russian main transport chopper.



holds 16 infantry units irl ;D

hiberNative wrote:please don't give the mi-17 any more attention. i was hoping for the ka-60 killer whale as the russian main transport chopper.



holds 16 infantry units irl ;D

Damn that's awesome. Looks kind of like that British chopper, forget the name.

O man I can't wait till Russians are in PR that's all I'll ever play.

Emnyron wrote:Bah. Eat 120mm shell you fat slowflying hind

Isn't the hind on of the fastes attack helicopeters in the world?

Anyway I think the hind should be like every attack helicopter in this game, exept it should not have exploading gun round and it should be able to carry troops in the back.

I swear the KA-60 is just a rip off of the HH-65a "Dolphin"..The Heli that the USCG use.(United States Coast Guard)..lol.

That thing looks nice though!

Spaz wrote:Isn't the hind on of the fastes attack helicopeters in the world?

Anyway I think the hind should be like every attack helicopter in this game, exept it should not have exploading gun round and it should be able to carry troops in the back.

It's one of the least agile though. It's designed to do high-speed runs kind of like an A10.

hiberNative wrote:please don't give the mi-17 any more attention. i was hoping for the ka-60 killer whale as the russian main transport chopper.



holds 16 infantry units irl ;D

lol
Here's the Dolphin


They do look very similar. Dolphin vs shark...sounds like a bit of cold war competition going on with the naming there lol

hiberNative wrote: people like truism ruin good ideas for us all thb

No, changing real world capabilties for the sake of "balance" is exactly what will lead to PR being a bland mod. PR shouldn't be afraid of keeping things true to life and balancing it in other ways.

hiberNative wrote: please, the hind was made into a milti task aircraft, so why not use that in PR and let it house a full squad? there won't be enemies EVERYWHERE at a map with the size of kashan.

OFC I agree with this. I was pointing out that giving the hind its full capacity wouldn't be OP because attack helos and transport helos operate in almost opposite ways in PR. And moreover it can't do both at the same time. Transport helos want to avoid enemies, while Attack helos have to see them. The hind has to juggle two completely different and mutually exclusive roles.

hiberNative wrote: i said that it shouldn't be able to engage while hovering for balance issues.

And I'm saying it should, because there are other things that are wrong with it to balance it being able to do that.

I don't mind which version we get really, as long as we aren't deliberately gimping real world capabilities for the dubious sake of balance.

hiberNative wrote:i don't care about small stuff like that. have them heat up really quick so you only can fire 2-3 each volley!

By this stage, I don't know what we're arguing... Let it fire them as fast as it wants. In real life they fire them in pairs because they don't trust the guidance systems on them...

hiberNative wrote:either that coupled with higher armor, or only include the hind on maps against insurgents and militia that won't have static anti-air placements. other maps when the russians play against conventional forces, they could have a black shark instead or something.

No. Leave it lightly armoured because IRL hinds have a whole lot of design flaws that make them easy to shoot down. There are plenty of things going for this chopper without making it highly armoured.



I'd really like to see the Hind for the MEC, or perhaps the Militia in an upcoming map..

However many seats it has, I won´t be using something that takes 20 minutes to respawn to transport some guys and land somewhere.

[R-CON]Alex6714 wrote:However many seats it has, I won´t be using something that takes 20 minutes to respawn to transport some guys and land somewhere.

Then step aside and let someone who thinks that helicopter is awesome have it

GeneralNorth wrote:Then step aside and let someone who thinks that helicopter is awesome have it

:d uh:

Or you let one of the best pilots in this mod (alex) use it and you can look at him fly and think "Damn I will never ever be that good"

Fishw0rk wrote:No offense but this is a terrible argument. The Hind is huge compared to the other attack choppers. If it hovers in place its going to die. People flying the current attack choppers are already discourged from hoving because of how exposed it leaves them to .50cal, AT and AA fire. Now imagine an even larger attack chopper hovering in place AND using an inferior gun (compared to the Cobra, Havoc and WZ-10 cannons).

Make it realistic like Truisim said.

lol did you even read my post? i said it SHOULD NOT hover, so i agree with you.

and Truism, you can pick the fixed machinegun version and still have it realistic as well as balances so it doesn't hover around and rape catches. don't be such a hind hater