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Figisaacnewton wrote:How about we get rid of the giant arty gun models, and replace em with twice as many mortars, and some animated guys that idle around it and fire em when called on?

'[R-PUB wrote:Szarko']But firing motars manualy is a lot more fun Been wanting manned arty forever. Thats what I always did in 1942

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:The grenade launchers are basically mortars, so there really is not need to include another grenade weapon of the sort. And trust me, you would have at least 1/3 of the the minimum camping it because they are too lazy to actually fight or want to get some easy kills which will mess up this game.

And as it is right now, there are hardly any commanders on. There are also not that many teamplayers on as well, so don't try and complicate this game with something that can be pretty easily abused or misused.

Animalmother wrote:if you've ever used the mortar in DC, you know theyre definitely no easy kills.

Lugubrum wrote:That brings back good memories from BFV. I remember when everybody was just shooting at the bridge (on Hue map) with the mortars.

A couple of days ago there was a guy on Gloryhoundz server who used the grenadelauncher as some kind of mortar and it was really effective. So I think it's a good idea (if they don't become too powerful).

'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker']This has been discussed before. Mortars are something we plan to include, at least in the stationary and vehicle-mounted role. As for man-portable and/or deployable mortars, that's a bit more difficult to realistically implement.

The 51mm platoon light mortar is being phased out of UK service by the L17A1 underslung 40mm grenade launchers in each fire-team. This process started in 2001.

As for man-portable deployable mortars, realistically, they'd have to be in their own kit, if implemented. The lightest US mortar (60mm M224) weighs about 50 lbs in full bipod and baseplate configuration, and about 27 lbs with the smaller baseplate. In the hand-held, trigger fired role it weighs maybe 17 lbs. That's not including ammunition and propellant charges, of course, which the gunner can carry maybe 3 of in addition to the weapon.

The gunner in a mortar crew according to TO&E carries only a sidearm, relying on a-gunners/ammunition bearers and the rifle units he supports to provide local security. So, realistically, we'd have a class with a sidearm and a large weapon he can't really use much (maybe even at all) without other players present to drop ammunition when he deploys it. And it would also be more difficult to use than the rocket or ATGM launcher. It could be made a very powerful weapon in the right hands, but who would pick it up?

Also, mortars aren't crewed by combat engineers, but by "Indirect Fire Infantrymen" (Army MOS 11C) or Mortarmen (USMC MOS 0341) integral to an infantry company or battalion. Army Special Forces Weapons Sergeants (MOS 18B) are also trained to operate them. In the British Army and Royal Marines, mortars are also operated by infantrymen and are integral to the infantry battalion (and platoon, in the case of the 51mm mortar).

Animalmother wrote:Im 80% sure that was me lol

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:Could of also been me. Not to brag or anything, but I think I may have been the first to come up with this idea. I used it on Dragon Valley with my squad once and in Karkand 1, and I have a support resupplying me and my other partner, just mortaring the hell out of their mains. I remember on karkand that someone actually started mortaring us back after they caught on. It is hard to get many kills with it unless you have a couple of guys and have a good view, but it has a good psychological effect along with it.

Cerberus wrote:There's a version of the LAV that has a mortar instead of a cannon

Deuce6 wrote:There is a new stryker carrier that deploys mortar crews, and the mortar can be used in the new mortar carrier stryker variant. And the old M113's had a version that could deploy a mortar out of the back.

'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker']
The Stryker MCV comes in two flavors, 81mm and 120mm, from what I understand. The M113 mortar carrier has not gone the way of the dinosaur, it's still in the track units. It used to carry the 4.2 inch mortar, but now the M1064A3 carries the M121 120mm mortar. I think there are still M113 81mm carriers around, too. The disadvantage of the heavy mortar carrier is that the traverse of the turntable is limited to about a 90 degree arc over the rear of the vehicle, rather than a full 360 degrees, but with a tracked vehicle that can do a pivot turn/neutral steer, it isn't so much of a problem as it would be for a wheeled vehicle to reposition.