Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 11:11
Watch the attitude. Constructive criticism is appreciated, but this isn't.Solid Knight wrote:Okay, so change it.
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Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 12:14
My opinion is basically to enable the hellfires to lock onto vehicles realistically:
-Short lock time.
-Crosshair has to point exactly at the target to lock.
-No laser boxes over target, only comes up while locked.
This basically means that:
Helicopters have a more realistic ability and are to be feared.
Laser designator fulfills the role or designating other targets, infantry, firebases, buidings etc, also appearing for pilots, tanks and APCs to designate targets.
Tanks have to rely on having an anti air vehicle in the convoy to protect them.
It also takes skill on the ground to manage air defense and armour.
AA missiles stay the same or get improved slightly, so that the chopper can lock onto things, but also fears getting locked onto more.
Of course, most of the people who read this will stop at the "lock on" part and skip the rest, just refusing that any other balance can be made.
-Short lock time.
-Crosshair has to point exactly at the target to lock.
-No laser boxes over target, only comes up while locked.
This basically means that:
Helicopters have a more realistic ability and are to be feared.
Laser designator fulfills the role or designating other targets, infantry, firebases, buidings etc, also appearing for pilots, tanks and APCs to designate targets.
Tanks have to rely on having an anti air vehicle in the convoy to protect them.
It also takes skill on the ground to manage air defense and armour.
AA missiles stay the same or get improved slightly, so that the chopper can lock onto things, but also fears getting locked onto more.
Of course, most of the people who read this will stop at the "lock on" part and skip the rest, just refusing that any other balance can be made.
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 13:17
hell yes'[R-CON wrote:Alex6714;845196']My opinion is basically to enable the hellfires to lock onto vehicles realistically:
-Short lock time.
-Crosshair has to point exactly at the target to lock.
-No laser boxes over target, only comes up while locked.
This basically means that:
Helicopters have a more realistic ability and are to be feared.
Laser designator fulfills the role or designating other targets, infantry, firebases, buidings etc, also appearing for pilots, tanks and APCs to designate targets.
Tanks have to rely on having an anti air vehicle in the convoy to protect them.
It also takes skill on the ground to manage air defense and armour.
AA missiles stay the same or get improved slightly, so that the chopper can lock onto things, but also fears getting locked onto more.
of course that will make the soflam less usefull , used only for attacks at fortified positions or a buch of infantery taking cover , but im ok with that as long as ther are tunguskas and t-90s covering each other
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 13:29
Yes that would be 'neat' but then the jets must have a make-over too since leaving them like they are now plus adding laser boxes to all vehicles again would make kashan 64 even worse then it was in 0.6 now that all jets have laser guided bombs.[R-CON]Alex6714 wrote:My opinion is basically to enable the hellfires to lock onto vehicles realistically:
-Short lock time.
-Crosshair has to point exactly at the target to lock.
-No laser boxes over target, only comes up while locked.
This basically means that:
Helicopters have a more realistic ability and are to be feared.
Laser designator fulfills the role or designating other targets, infantry, firebases, buidings etc, also appearing for pilots, tanks and APCs to designate targets.
Tanks have to rely on having an anti air vehicle in the convoy to protect them.
It also takes skill on the ground to manage air defense and armour.
AA missiles stay the same or get improved slightly, so that the chopper can lock onto things, but also fears getting locked onto more.
Of course, most of the people who read this will stop at the "lock on" part and skip the rest, just refusing that any other balance can be made.
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 14:21
It wasn't criticism. It was stated that it couldn't be done with the current laser system. There is only one response to that and it's going to be something so obvious that it is insulting.[R-MOD]dunehunter wrote:Watch the attitude. Constructive criticism is appreciated, but this isn't.
Anyway, a good compromise would be what was suggested above. Give the helicopters the ability to lase their own targets. Jets will still rely on the SOFLAM.
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 14:44
Maybe it's "obvious" to you, but there are reasons why we defined the targetting system that way.
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 15:08
Your comment doesn't really have much to do with the explanation for one of my responses. It's a dispute between perceived hostility and intent to which the explanation is that I had no choice but to respond with an insulting obviously response. To summarize the point of contention: somebody stated that this couldn't be done with the current system to which the only response I could make is that the current system would need to be changed. There was no hostile intent nor I am suggesting that an alteration of the lasing system is obvious; it's my response to his comment that is obvious.[R-DEV]dbzao wrote:Maybe it's "obvious" to you, but there are reasons why we defined the targetting system that way.
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 15:20
ok guys, lets take a step back okies?
various forms of communication, like sarcasm etc are very hard to transmit over the internetz, so lets not go on about infered hostility or whatever.
I'm really confused, right click and you do lase your own targets? Not sure I see what the problem is there
the zoom thing, I could take or leave, when zoomed in I have alot of trouble if my pilot isn't perfectly zoomed, so I generally just stick at the lower zoom.
Alex's interpretation of the situation seems the best imo
various forms of communication, like sarcasm etc are very hard to transmit over the internetz, so lets not go on about infered hostility or whatever.
I'm really confused, right click and you do lase your own targets? Not sure I see what the problem is there
the zoom thing, I could take or leave, when zoomed in I have alot of trouble if my pilot isn't perfectly zoomed, so I generally just stick at the lower zoom.
Alex's interpretation of the situation seems the best imo
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 15:23
I like his too. Essentially giving the helicopter the ability to lase its own targets would give it a close approximation to fire-and-forget missiles without running into issues where the missiles track the wrong target. The SOFLAM would still be useful for jets and even helicopters. In urban areas where it is hard to see vehicles in the streets the SOFLAM would make it easy for the helicopter to spot enemies not to mention it could be used to guide missiles into areas full of soft targets.
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 15:30
I'm still confused, in the choppers right now the gunner can right click and it lases right?
then the missle type that uses that will lock on and go for it? and the other type follows the reticle as you move it right? (sorry if I'm being dense, its not the first time and won't be the last)
then the missle type that uses that will lock on and go for it? and the other type follows the reticle as you move it right? (sorry if I'm being dense, its not the first time and won't be the last)
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 15:31
What do you know you can lase your own targets. Heh... The laser projectile is slow so that's probably why I haven't been using it all this time then forgot about it. It's always been faster to just wire-guide it in. Can this be adjusted?Dr2B Rudd wrote:I'm still confused, in the choppers right now the gunner can right click and it lases right?
then the missle type that uses that will lock on and go for it? and the other type follows the reticle as you move it right? (sorry if I'm being dense, its not the first time and won't be the last)
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 15:34
then I'm going completely insane....again
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 15:43
I suppose since I settled on a system that was already in place and forgot why I haven't been using it that way.Dr2B Rudd wrote:then I'm going completely insane....again
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 21:48
if the gun would be too sensitive with more zoom..why not make some sort of gun stabilizer than auto adjusts to compensate for vehicle movement...it doesn't move as much is basically what im trying to say here.
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-11 22:11
its being tryed, its in atm on the helis and tanks, but as you can tell its not perfect atmcrAck_sh0t wrote:if the gun would be too sensitive with more zoom..why not make some sort of gun stabilizer than auto adjusts to compensate for vehicle movement...it doesn't move as much is basically what im trying to say here.
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-12 05:04
At no point in the Battlefield franchise is multiple locks possible.This gave the ability to have multiple 'locks' at one time.
*cough*Alex's interpretation of the situation seems the best imo
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-12 05:20
Yes and it will take exactly one lab monkey with fried brain to figure out that in order to wtfpwn everything you just need to go and take out the AAV first...[R-CON]Alex6714 wrote: -No laser boxes over target, only comes up while locked.
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Tanks have to rely on having an anti air vehicle in the convoy to protect them.
Re: AHE Targetting systems.
Posted: 2008-11-12 07:14
And it would take exactly one monkey with no brain to figure out that you should shoot the plane first.Yes and it will take exactly one lab monkey with fried brain to figure out that in order to wtfpwn everything you just need to go and take out the AAV first...