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Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-14 03:41
by Rangu
@ Singleshot and Polka;
/Slap
Nuff commie nonsense, boys!
Thanks for pointing out the geographical importance of Norway, Hexey!
I most certainly approve this such a map!
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-14 04:15
by Priby
HeXeY wrote:Icefree coast all the year, closer to USA, UK etc, to give us/you/them a reason to make a map like this (
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Dont forget all the chambers filled with gold and sexy women
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-14 07:00
by mp5punk
would be cool
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-14 07:36
by moj
HeXeY wrote:Icefree coast all the year, closer to USA, UK etc, to give us/you/them a reason to make a map like this (
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Indeed, just as the Nazis had a crapload of U-boats stationed on the west coast of occupied France to control the Atlantic, it would probably just as effective for the Russian Northern Fleet to station some vessels in Norway to control the northern Atlantic. If not, then I expect as you say it'd still certainly help them leapfrog over to Britain. The Norwegian coast is less than 300 miles from Scotland.
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-14 17:26
by HeXeY
Priby wrote:Dont forget all the chambers filled with gold and sexy women
Those were supposed to be a secret between the two of us
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-14 17:30
by torenico
Well, Russia can launch an Invasion from Finland, or a landing on the north of Norway. Then the battle of ? and the Battle of Narvik, all the way down to Oslo.
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-14 17:35
by moj
I like the idea of the Battle of Troms, from what I understand the Norwegians have most of their armour there (please correct me if I'm mistaken).
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-14 17:57
by Rebel-NOR
I would say the best battle Norway vs. Russia would be at Kirkenes, either at the country side or in the city, think country side with hard terrain mountains, snow etc would be really good amd a Counter attack gamemode would be the best I think.
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-14 18:18
by Sveinovewes
Why don't make a BIG 64 player map, with a city, country side etc.
I think it would have been cool.
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-14 19:31
by HeXeY
Rebel-NOR wrote:I would say the best battle Norway vs. Russia would be at Kirkenes, either at the country side or in the city, think country side with hard terrain mountains, snow etc would be really good amd a Counter attack gamemode would be the best I think.
Even though I live in Vadsø, just across the fjord from Kirkenes, I must agree with you.
The terrain in Vadsø is pretty much flat, completely. Not even a tree (almost.)
Whilst in Kirkenes there's more different terrain, flat areas, mountains, fjords etc
And Kirkenes Airport is in fact a military airfield, which Avinor (Norwegian company controlling all the airports, almost) rents.
Garnisonen i Sør-Varanger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kirkenes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kirkenes Airport, Høybuktmoen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-14 22:02
by single.shot (nor)
HeXeY;870178 wrote:Icefree coast all the year, closer to USA, UK etc, to give us/you/them a reason to make a map like this (
)[/QUOTE
Have you forgotten Kamchatka?
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-14 23:25
by moj
Rebel-NOR wrote:I would say the best battle Norway vs. Russia would be at Kirkenes, either at the country side or in the city, think country side with hard terrain mountains, snow etc would be really good amd a Counter attack gamemode would be the best I think.
Sveinovewes wrote:Why don't make a BIG 64 player map, with a city, country side etc.
I think it would have been cool.
HeXeY wrote:Even though I live in Vadsø, just across the fjord from Kirkenes, I must agree with you.
The terrain in Vadsø is pretty much flat, completely. Not even a tree (almost.)
Whilst in Kirkenes there's more different terrain, flat areas, mountains, fjords etc
And Kirkenes Airport is in fact a military airfield, which Avinor (Norwegian company controlling all the airports, almost) rents.
Garnisonen i Sør-Varanger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kirkenes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kirkenes Airport, Høybuktmoen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Great ideas! Just over the border from Russia, plus the right size for a combined urban/country-side armor battles map. Although the airport couldn't be represented, as it is in real life unfortunately. Then again, the scale of runways and proximity in the game, due to it's limitations is unrealistic anyway. It's something we just have to deal with.
In all though, it looks like it could make a very nice 4km map.
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-15 10:45
by jbgeezer
What about fighting on hardangervidda?
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-15 12:18
by FastWinston
[quote=""single.shot (nor)"]
HeXeY" wrote:Icefree coast all the year, closer to USA, UK etc, to give us/you/them a reason to make a map like this (
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Have you forgotten Kamchatka?[/QUOTE]
AFAIK Kamchatka is does not have an ice free, deep water harbor. The only one left in Russia after the fall of the USSR is Sevastopol in the Ukraine, which Russia rents. The problem is that the Ukraine won't prolong the rent longer then 2012, so then Russia would be without an ice free, deep water harbor. But in Abkhazia there are these types of facilities (at least one) (also in Poti in Georgia but Russia pulled out). One could speculate this to be a part of the reasons for Russia to enter Georgia, since it will be key for Russia to keep a felt pressence with it's expanding Navy.
@ jbgeezer: Hardangervidda would (mostly) be boring as hell! Passvikelva would be a natural area to fight the Russians (also regarding the amount of Norwegian troops in the area (not to many) a asymmetrical balance, natural between Norway and Russia, would be a given)
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-15 17:27
by moj
FastWinston wrote:AFAIK Kamchatka is does not have an ice free, deep water harbor. The only one left in Russia after the fall of the USSR is Sevastopol in the Ukraine, which Russia rents. The problem is that the Ukraine won't prolong the rent longer then 2012, so then Russia would be without an ice free, deep water harbor. But in Abkhazia there are these types of facilities (at least one) (also in Poti in Georgia but Russia pulled out). One could speculate this to be a part of the reasons for Russia to enter Georgia, since it will be key for Russia to keep a felt pressence with it's expanding Navy.
@ jbgeezer: Hardangervidda would (mostly) be boring as hell! Passvikelva would be a natural area to fight the Russians (also regarding the amount of Norwegian troops in the area (not to many) a asymmetrical balance, natural between Norway and Russia, would be a given)
The port at Novorossiysk is being redeveloped as a new naval base for the Black Sea Fleet, to replace the one at Sevastopol by 2012. But yeah, their only ice-free harbor will still be on the Black Sea. Though back to the subject of using Norway to invade the US, I imagine they'd air-drop into the west coast (Alaska, BC, California, Washington or Oregon, I dunno which), reinforced by an amphibious assault by the Pacific Fleet based in Vladivostok.
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-15 18:10
by FastWinston
Did not know that, thanks for the info. Do you have any other info on this? It kinda renders my Abkhazia-theory useless (although not mine, can't remember where I read it though)
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-15 18:29
by moj
No probs
Read the last paragraph under the history section -
Novorossiysk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A bit more info here, including some interesting stuff about Abkhazia and Syria -
Black Sea Fleet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-15 20:19
by FastWinston
Thanks for the links! Going to see if I can dig up some non Wiki sources though
Hm, I'm going to Syria in a couple of months, maybe I'll take a look at Tartus..
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-15 21:48
by jbgeezer
FastWinston wrote:
@ jbgeezer: Hardangervidda would (mostly) be boring as hell! Passvikelva would be a natural area to fight the Russians (also regarding the amount of Norwegian troops in the area (not to many) a asymmetrical balance, natural between Norway and Russia, would be a given)
What a bout the dam complex south of hardangervidda, ever heard about Songa dam? In the army we where trained to place anti air weapons there tr prevent aircraft from destroying the dam and making a complete disaster. I live in the area, if I was good at mapping(which im not) I could have made a map. The sourrounding is a mixture of urban areas and forrests. Perfect id say
Re: [Proposal] Norway vs. Russia map
Posted: 2008-12-16 11:17
by FastWinston
Yes I've been there, and your right, that would be quite fitting for a map! Long time since I've been there though