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Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-16 04:02
by Igloo35
sounds like a cool idea, i just wish the community faction line up would clear out a bit from the "working side" to the "finished playable side" :( .

imagine freeing up all these devs and them working together on a single or even double project?

you would have the colombians before you could say "uncle pablo"

good luck i hope it works :D :D

PS. your number in queue is #23 please stay on the line.... :(

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-16 09:01
by Glimmerman
Sounds like a nice idea but i forsee you having a lot of trouble putting together a mod crew.

But Instead of setting fire to coca farms you could just make a big stash of cocaine to blow up.
And next to the FARC you could make various cartels to battle :)

But this take a lot of time and expertise witch is very hard to find and since most of the R-DEV's and R-CONs are busy with PR and the various community factions i say good luck.

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-16 20:19
by Wilkinson
Im a mapper kind of guy. I could whip up an insurgency map. I also know some basic coding Shouldn't be to hard. If you get a team up lemme know.

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-17 00:32
by torenico
Colombia its not bad, we could get Venezuela and Ecuador and make a War there. Wonder what happend to the Argentinian Forces Mod...

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-17 07:30
by Tannhauser
Well start off with one country first. If it was me it'd be PerĂ¹ VS Chile but honnestly I'm sure we could care less about that conflict.

Concentrate on Columbia and FARC/Hispanic Militia then expand on cloning Columbia to make other SIGNIFICANT armies like .. let's say Venezuela? although I find it very unlikely to see US invading that country anytime soon for many reasons.
This could also contribute to the making of the Argentinian army/marines that was proposed in a Falklands 20XX scenario against the Brits. Experiencing conventionnal and unconventionnal warfare from South-America in PR would definitely open doors to completely new forms of tactics.

FARC/rebels use guerilla warfare, wich isw something that up to now has only been simulated in urban environments in the ME. Now, Jungle/gorges/mountains make it a new dimension for guerilla warfare. Bear in mind that, if this project goes on, while FARC would resemble Militia/Hamas as a semi conventional force, rebels and drug dealers would end up being a variation of FARC*generic faction* that plays like insurgents with hideouts and no bunkers.

I would like to see that going on first. It seems to be the most active conflit in south-america right now compared to other rival countries. Does anyone know of other major actual conflicts on the continent or even in central-america?

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-17 08:27
by moj
Tannhauser wrote:Bear in mind that, if this project goes on, while FARC would resemble Militia/Hamas as a semi conventional force, rebels and drug dealers would end up being a variation of FARC*generic faction* that plays like insurgents with hideouts and no bunkers.
I may be mistaken, but I've always been well under the impression, that both FARC and the ELN are more comparable to the insurgents than Militia. Judging by the accounts I've read, I really don't think these guys have armoured vehicles or very much in the way of medical supplies or expertise.

EDIT: Comparable to insurgents, except they wear uniforms. Jungle camouflage is very different from urban.

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-18 00:14
by kaiser185
Ok I have started research, and started to gether a team, up until now I have an extremely skilled programmer, 3d modeller, skinner, and coder. I also gathered a great programmer coder. And I myself know a bit of 3d modelling, so I'm sure I can come up with some things, I'll put up some WIP screens.

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-18 00:21
by kaiser185
Here is one.Image

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-18 03:07
by Tannhauser
Picture doesn't show up. Knowing you have a team of skilled devs, it'd be interesting to know how you guys work together? Do you have a forum? Who are the other guys?

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-18 03:10
by Igloo35
And the South american invasion begins ..... :mrgreen:

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-18 03:58
by kaiser185
they have requested that their identity should not be divulged, so all I will say they are friends of mine, we communicate over SKYPE, yet the funny thing is they are game devs for another game which will be probably launch in Q4 2009, but anyways all i'm doing as of now is generate the 3d models.

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-18 04:00
by Hfett
Igloo35 wrote:And the South american invasion begins ..... :mrgreen:
Just put a soccer field on the map and there will be no more war ;)

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-18 04:12
by McBumLuv
[R-CON]Hfett wrote:Just put a soccer field on the map and there will be no more war ;)
Ya, unless one team loses :P

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-24 13:29
by Panzerfire
Hmmm... This topic reminds me of the movie "Clear and Present Danger" based on the book of Tom Clancy where a group of US special forces start an undercover war against the Cali Drug Cartel.

This could be interesting. Put on one side the Colombian Army, On the other the FARC, ELN or maybe a faction of Mercenaries fighting for a Drug Cartel.

Like it has been mentioned before... the combat would be similar to insurgency where the colombian Army would have to find weapons cache, cocaine labs or even the small transport aircrafts used to cargo the drugs; and destroy them.
All maps would be Jungle and mountain based... and I'm talking about a real deep jungle enviroment. With the woodland camouflages it'll be pretty hard to find the enemy without being caught first. ;)

As for Hostage rescue... well... I don't know if the BF2 engine can support a combat modus where hostages are involved like in CS. =/
Maybe forcing the Colombian Army faction to have a third of its kits as VIPs kits putting them as the hostages and spawning only in the same area where FARC spawns. The rest of the Colombian Amry would have to kill all FARC soldiers and take the hostages to a safe base.
Hostage killing would have to be highly penalized for both factions but also there should be a penalization for the hostage if he gets killed... otherwise players that play as hostages would run out freely without suffereing consequences. But of course the role of the hostage would be awesomely boring... I mean the only mission of the hostage would be to survive.
Well... Hostage rescue is not something that BF2 was ment to replicate.

The following is purely a theory:
If another community made a Venezuelan or some Communist/Socialist Coalition of South American Armies, then that could represent another OPFOR for the colombian military.
One thing that should be noticed is that Venezuela is currently purchasing tons of new weaponry (Mostly from Russia). Most of this new equipment actually puts Venezuela in the position to resist or launch a conventional warfare. Colombia on the other hand purchases normally equipment ment to fight the guerrillas. Ergo Colombia doesn't have much need for Fighter jets, MBTs or other heavy weaponry that Venezuela is currently adquiring.

Well... the idea would be a Venezuelan or a similar fictional or real SA faction invading Colombia (Or the other way around). This scenario could also include US forces in south america. ;) with the Colombian side without many advantages.

Re: [Proposal] Colombian Factions

Posted: 2008-12-24 13:53
by moj
Panzerfire wrote:Most of this new equipment actually puts Venezuela in the position to resist or launch a conventional warfare. Colombia on the other hand purchases normally equipment ment to fight the guerrillas. Ergo Colombia doesn't have much need for Fighter jets, MBTs or other heavy weaponry that Venezuela is currently adquiring.

Well... the idea would be a Venezuelan or a similar fictional or real SA faction invading Colombia (Or the other way around). This scenario could also include US forces in south america. ;) with the Colombian side without many advantages.
Yeah, the Colombian Army has more troops by a fair amount, but once the MBTs, IFVs, choppers and jets on order from Russia arrive, Venezuela will easily have the better technology.