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Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 04:43
by thecoolj85
do the pla realy fly the cow?
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 05:13
by Rhino
thecoolj85 wrote:do the pla realy fly the cow?
yep
Aérospatiale Super Frelon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Military Operators
People's Republic of China
* People's Liberation Army
* People's Liberation Army Air Force operates Jingdezhen (Z-
variant.
* People's Liberation Army Navy Air Force
its a good chopper, one of my favourites ingame
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 05:28
by rangedReCon
China also got their assault rifle and grenadier before the other factions.
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 05:54
by Rudd
Every single team needs love, but there are more modellers interested in doing MEC/blufor forces because they come from countries that are involved with either team in some way.
I would say that British forces need some love
but I'm British.
China has got some nice stuff now, all they need to be awesome is the VN3 instead of the ice cream car.
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 07:49
by Sights
When some of the new vehicles and the PLANM come, the Chinese are going to be, in my opinion, not only overhauled but completely rejuvenated, so I wouldn't worry too much about them being neglected. Like everything else in the works, it takes time, so just have a little patience and the Chinese will get the love they deserve.
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 09:56
by RedAlertSF
I think PLA is fine except their uniform. It should be reskinned.
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 10:00
by Chuc
To.. what if I may ask?
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 10:17
by Rhino
the PLA Digi cammo is awesome
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 10:30
by PFunk
Interesting thing I came across. The new Chinese Type-03 rifle.
Its the newest rifle but is an older AK style and definitely not the bullpub that is the Type-95. World of guns says "For various but unpublished reasons the bullpup Type 95 / QBZ-95 assault rifle was apparently found not entirely satisfactory in PLA service. Therefore it was decided to develop a new 5.8mm assault rifle of conventional layout, which will provide necessary competition and backup to its older bullpup brother."
Dunno what that means for the future of the Type-95.
Modern Firearms - Type 03 / QBZ-03 assault rifle
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 10:32
by Hresvelgr
Rhino wrote:the PLA Digi cammo is awesome
...and realistic. Don't get why many people think it's the same as vanilla. Totally mind-bogglingly different. Also can't wait for the PLA marines to be released.
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 10:41
by Rhino
PFunk wrote:Interesting thing I came across. The new Chinese Type-03 rifle.
Its the newest rifle but is an older AK style and definitely not the bullpub that is the Type-95. World of guns says "For various but unpublished reasons the bullpup Type 95 / QBZ-95 assault rifle was apparently found not entirely satisfactory in PLA service. Therefore it was decided to develop a new 5.8mm assault rifle of conventional layout, which will provide necessary competition and backup to its older bullpup brother."
Dunno what that means for the future of the Type-95.
Modern Firearms - Type 03 / QBZ-03 assault rifle
Ye I've heard they are working on it but as of yet not yet in service afaik.
Thou tbh I prefer the look of the QBZ, its awesome
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 10:58
by RedAlertSF
I know the camo is realistic, but it looks bit low quality for me comparing to other uniforms.
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 11:45
by Zi8
IMO the PLA uniform looks menacing and I really like how it hides in OGT forests
PLA is my personal favorite faction in the whole game and I wish it has the attention it deserves. Currently insurgents, brits, mecs and americans dominate the server map rotation pool and developement (at least looks like it). Qwai and Bi Ming (haven't even seen this in 0.85) are very rarely played and more forest/woodland style maps would be excellent to make them to come back again.
Good to see DEVs are working on something for them, looking forward seeing the changes. Kuai kuai kuai!
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 13:44
by 77SiCaRiO77
PFunk wrote:Interesting thing I came across. The new Chinese Type-03 rifle.
Its the newest rifle but is an older AK style and definitely not the bullpub that is the Type-95. World of guns says "For various but unpublished reasons the bullpup Type 95 / QBZ-95 assault rifle was apparently found not entirely satisfactory in PLA service. Therefore it was decided to develop a new 5.8mm assault rifle of conventional layout, which will provide necessary competition and backup to its older bullpup brother."
Dunno what that means for the future of the Type-95.
Modern Firearms - Type 03 / QBZ-03 assault rifle
that gun was my first model
IIRC the qbz03 was made becuase some were unhappy with the bullpup and wanted a more conventional weapon , and it was issued to scout units .
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-09 14:02
by Jaymz
PFunk wrote:"For various but unpublished reasons the bullpup Type 95 / QBZ-95 assault rifle was apparently found not entirely satisfactory in PLA service...."
Unpublished perhaps, but not unknown...
PW: Interesting -and quite significant in that bullpups are often touted as being better for firing from vehicles. Fumes are a problem with any prolonged firing in a confined space such as a vehicle, but it seems this is likely to be an even greater problem with a Bullpup.
The Chinese military seem to have encountered the same problem with their bullpup:-
"The Type 95 assault rifle adopts a bullpup layout similar to the French Giat FAMAS and the British SA80 assault rifles. The efficiency of this design has been highly controversial from the experience of its fielding in the PLA. The weapon is generally regarded great when used for close-range, hip-firing. However, when the weapon is used for long-range accurate shoulder-firing, the smoke, noise, heat and disturbance of the ejected cartridges are widely complained.”
Source:
SA-80 Shame of the British Army
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-12 20:21
by PFunk
Yea I've read that about the SA-80. Some say its been fixed but some say its just flawed anyway.
Is the bullpup inherently a 'bad' design or is there something that needs to be done to make it work that hasn't yet? Not a huge gun expert but I'm interested.
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-12 22:27
by motherdear
to let you guys know, i'm coming along with some of the final design stuff at the moment, so the chinese will have a better boat in the future (instead of using R.I.B's) i'm waiting on updating till i get the last details pinned down with jonny and i'll show you guys a nice update in the PLANM thread at that time
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-13 00:24
by charliegrs
PFunk wrote:Yea I've read that about the SA-80. Some say its been fixed but some say its just flawed anyway.
Is the bullpup inherently a 'bad' design or is there something that needs to be done to make it work that hasn't yet? Not a huge gun expert but I'm interested.
oh god dont get that debate started in this thread!!
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-13 03:22
by Rhino
PFunk wrote:Yea I've read that about the SA-80. Some say its been fixed but some say its just flawed anyway.
Is the bullpup inherently a 'bad' design or is there something that needs to be done to make it work that hasn't yet? Not a huge gun expert but I'm interested.
Just talk to the soldiers who use the weapon, everyone I have talked to say its a incredibly reliable and accurate weapon which they have no problems with it and when it dose brake its normally down to it being used in the wrong way or w/e.
Re: Discussion - Do the Chinese forces (PLA) have too much vannilla kit?
Posted: 2009-02-13 03:51
by PRC_Heavy_Z
QBZ95 has basically gone through its teething time. It'll definitely stay in the PLA despite there are still a minority which favor the QBZ03 over the QBZ95.
In regards to the QBZ03, it will more than likely be the future weapon of PAP troops as their weapon load out diverge from the PLA.