Potential MEC Firarms Candiates

JellyBelly · Post by **JellyBelly** » 2006-04-18 16:21

Instead of the G3, may I suggest the Hk33.

Or maybe, as a new marksman weapon, the G3SG1

Zantetsuken · Post by **Zantetsuken** » 2006-04-18 17:07

If the actual Russian special forces (of any kind, not just the specific Spetznaz group) barely even use AN-94s, let alone the rest of the regular Russian army, why in Vladmir Putin's name would countries that don't even use the AKS-74, but instead the older 47, use AN-94s???

mrmong · Post by **mrmong** » 2006-04-18 17:10

ooh FN FAL.. hmm i wonder what happened to all our old SLRs it would be great to use those things with "boor bottle opening" ability

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2006-04-18 17:13

Hmmm. How about using the HK53A3 as an alternate to the AK-74u. Offers slightly more lethality over the AK-74. However the AK-74u could feature more modifications. The HK53A3 could be assigned to MEC tank crews, special forces and if they have any, airborne units.

Also, for RPGs I was thinking of the following.

RPG-7V1
http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=2198&catid=278

RPG-26, RPG-27, RSHG-1, RSHG-2 Rocket Launchers
http://www.roe.ru/p_prod/army/rshg-2.htm
http://warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=278&linkid=2199

RPO Weapons
http://warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=278&linkid=1847

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2006-04-18 17:46

PKM
This would be a nice choice for the MEC HMG. This or the MG3, IMO

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2006-04-18 18:06

Technically though the Pecheneg is a PKM. Uses the same caliber rounds and such. I think one difference is the fact that the PKM has a "night model" called the PKMSN2. As shown below.

Although I think the Pecheneg is a bit more accurate and such.

the.ultimate.maverick · Post by **the.ultimate.maverick** » 2006-04-18 18:16

Main difference is in the barrel - the pecheneg is the only (?) widely used MG in the world with a fixed barrel. It is supposed to cool the weapon more with an interesting powder system but in my experience it is more a hassle than a help. That said the Pecheneg is significantly more efficient than the PKM (100% in fact). The pecheng s operating on a trial basis in Russia.

Stu007 · Post by **Stu007** » 2006-04-18 19:20

lol the mg30 is fed from the right hand side

i like all those gun suggestions yeah

Langeman · Post by **Langeman** » 2006-04-18 19:42

Skullening.Chris wrote:Would you happen to know if the FN FNC is as common as the FAL? That Joint Operations game included the FNC over the FAL and I've always wondered if that was a reasonable decision...

The FNC is only used by the Belgian Armed Forces, Indonesia (Pindad SS-1), Sweden (AK-5) and some policeforces.

Pence · Post by **Pence** » 2006-04-18 21:45

mrmong wrote:ooh FN FAL.. hmm i wonder what happened to all our old SLRs it would be great to use those things with "boor bottle opening" ability

SLR's cannot fire automatic; captured Argentine FN's were used by the British.

Pliskin · Post by **Pliskin** » 2006-04-18 22:30

K.Larsen wrote:The best 9mm there is. However, realism factor; when the U.S can't afford them I doubt a army that uses the AK series assault rifles could.

The Sig 552 is a 5.56 x 45 NATO. I don't know where you get 9mm from.

the.ultimate.maverick · Post by **the.ultimate.maverick** » 2006-04-18 22:32

Or .233 rem

trogdor1289 · Post by **trogdor1289** » 2006-04-19 01:24

What's kinda funny is to put a 7.62 next to a 5.56 and look at the size diffenncere.

Sorry about the crappy picture but kinda gets the point across.

six7 · Post by **six7** » 2006-04-19 01:28

5.56 mm sucks... thats all there is to it

trogdor1289 · Post by **trogdor1289** » 2006-04-19 01:37

Well when somone shoots you in the head the difference between a 5.56 and 7.62 is not really noticeable.

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2006-04-19 02:08

In terms of lethality, the 5.56mm rounds are weaker than 7.62mm ammunition. However since the the 5.56mm round is smaller, I would happen to think that it would offer alot more range and accuracy. This in my mind is basic physics. A heavier object would fall to floor faster than a lighter object. Now of course muzzle velocity also applies to the weapons effective range and bullet trajectory. So essentially, with an AK-47 or other 7.62 caliber weapon, you may have to aim slightly higher to compensate for bullet drop than you would with a 5.56mm caliber weapon.

Ugly Duck · Post by **Ugly Duck** » 2006-04-19 02:18

Terranova wrote:I would happen to think that it would offer alot more range and accuracy. This in my mind is basic physics. A heavier object would fall to floor faster than a lighter object.

Actualy basic physics states that they'd fall at the same rate. Remember the thing with the tower of Piza and cannon ball or whatever...

The G3 I like.. it could replace the AK-101. It is a reality mod... so I don't think that the MEC would be using weapons that have yet to be exported.

In terms of M16 vs AK. Doesn't the .223 fragment, and thus cause a lot more damage than would be expected from a smaller caliber. Problem is that doesn't work at close range, the round goes through and so the AKs are better close up. Where as the M16 works as well at range, and is more acurate. Feh, if I'm wrong forgive me. I know little about guns.

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2006-04-19 03:00

Ugly Duck wrote:Actualy basic physics states that they'd fall at the same rate. Remember the thing with the tower of Piza and cannon ball or whatever...

Thats different in a way though. The best way to descirbe how a bullet works, take two rocks. A heavier rock and a lighter rock. Now all you have to do is throw the rocks as far as you can. Technially the lighter rock is going to go further than the heavier rock. Velocity, gravity, air resistance and probably a few other factors will play a key role into the rocks descent.

Simply pretend that your throwing power is the muzzle velocity, the lighter rock is a 5.56mm round and the heavier rock is a 7.62mm round. I'm by no means am an expert but I've read a few things on basic ballistics.

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2006-04-19 03:03

Like others who have posted in this thread, I'd love to see the MEC given the AN-94. That two round burst would be a real killer in CQB and at long ranges, too (1800 rpm w/ the two round burst, IIRC)

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-04-19 03:17

K.Larsen wrote:The best 9mm there is. However, realism factor; when the U.S can't afford them I doubt a army that uses the AK series assault rifles could.

I believe you're thinking of the SIG P226. SIG doesn't just make pistols, they make rifles, too.

As for the US not being able to afford them, the FBI and other federal agencies had them as their standard issue weapon for about 10 years (until they decided to go with the .40 S&W caliber and the Glock 22/23) and they are still in inventory and permitted for carry by agents. Also, the P226 has been in use by the SEALs since about the same time the Bureau started using them. Too expensive for the entire US military, but not for some units and federal law enforcement.