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The only comment / assistance / question I can add is for the FN Fal / AK47 usages.

The officer and scoped rifleman kit will be using either the FN Fal or the AK-47 with an optic system yes? The AK-47 could possibly use the PSO system. Its a 4x system.

Romanian PSO Sniper Scope - Scope for AK-47 style rifle from Romania

Unfortunately that seems to only fit Romanian AK-47s rather then Russian AK-47s.

(Image of a Tabuk Rifle in Iraq.)
Iraqi Militia with Tabuk Rifle- Suite101.com Images

Again I can't find what style of AKs it would fit or if it would only fit the Tabuk Iraqi built rifle. Nor can I find much information on the scope style. I believe it to is a PSO-1 or a similar style one however which means its identical to the Dragunov.

(Images of the scope.)
The Guns Network LLC ~ Discussion Forums - WTK Value of Tabuk Sniper Rifle Scope?

However if you'd prefer to use the FN Fal. It begs the question of an iron sights style one. I can't find much information on the FN Fal in use by any North African countries at all. Only South African ones. However if its included I could see a kit such as the Rifleman Specialist using the FN Fal with standard sights. If exec_4ever has created the model without optics of course. It hardly seems right that a country would use a completely different rifle purely for its use of optics. I think it would be a fitting idea.

But thats all I have to add on the topic.

[R-CON]162eRI wrote: For the grenade, we have to take the Russian F-1 (?) from PR. Mk II may be still used in some areas, but it's a WW2 grenade... Much too old.

The F1 is also a WW2 grenade

Perhaps call it West African Coalition?

Cheesygoodness wrote:The only comment / assistance / question I can add is for the FN Fal / AK47 usages.

The officer and scoped rifleman kit will be using either the FN Fal or the AK-47 with an optic system yes? The AK-47 could possibly use the PSO system. Its a 4x system.

Romanian PSO Sniper Scope - Scope for AK-47 style rifle from Romania

Unfortunately that seems to only fit Romanian AK-47s rather then Russian AK-47s.

(Image of a Tabuk Rifle in Iraq.)
Iraqi Militia with Tabuk Rifle- Suite101.com Images

Again I can't find what style of AKs it would fit or if it would only fit the Tabuk Iraqi built rifle. Nor can I find much information on the scope style. I believe it to is a PSO-1 or a similar style one however which means its identical to the Dragunov.

(Images of the scope.)
The Guns Network LLC ~ Discussion Forums - WTK Value of Tabuk Sniper Rifle Scope?

However if you'd prefer to use the FN Fal. It begs the question of an iron sights style one. I can't find much information on the FN Fal in use by any North African countries at all. Only South African ones. However if its included I could see a kit such as the Rifleman Specialist using the FN Fal with standard sights. If exec_4ever has created the model without optics of course. It hardly seems right that a country would use a completely different rifle purely for its use of optics. I think it would be a fitting idea.

But thats all I have to add on the topic.

Thanks for this very long comment on this topic

For the moment, we want to give the FAL only to the officer and the rifleman scope...
Why not giving it to the rifleman specialist ? Will we do a rifleman specialist kit ?

Hum, I think this kit and also HAT and AA kits are not very fitted to this kind of army...Do you consider specialized soldier who only use this kind of weapon ? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so.

For the other classes, we want to give mostly AK-47 or equivalent.

I think that in this kind of countries, weapons are from all origins, I mean that there is no standard rifle which is only used in an African army. So I think we wan mix the use of FAL and AK-47.

For the choice of AK-47 type : apparently West African countries use mainly Made in China AK-47, the 56 Type (I think they are those which are used by China in Bf2).

PS : What do you mean by North African countries ?

Haven't you thought about giving a few G3s to the rebels ?

Hum, a bit boring, isn't it ? Mec has it as main rifle, Norvegian will have it (up to date)...
But it's right that this weapon is used in Ivory Coast and according to Wikipedia Ghana has 12000 G3...It fits with our operation theater...
I think that the choice will be hard... ??:

Hauteclocque wrote:I think that in this kind of countries, weapons are from all origins, I mean that there is no standard rifle which is only used in an African army. So I think we wan mix the use of FAL and AK-47.

For the choice of AK-47 type : apparently West African countries use mainly Made in China AK-47, the 56 Type (I think they are those which are used by China in Bf2).

PS : What do you mean by North African countries ?

I split the country between North and South. I was speaking basically any country north of the Congo as I assumed that wouldn't be a bad way to look into what countries being considered.

Basically my ideas were. If a scoped AK-47 was wanted then those are possible scopes that could be used or to show its actually possible to mount one on the gun.

If the FN Fal was used then why would they only issue the FN Fal with optics to there people? You'd assume some standard iron sights models would be placed in there hands, thus I wondered if the FN Fal without optics would fit into the rifleman specialist class. That way you have that feel of you spoke of. 'The mix of weapons' if it was more then just an optics kit you see?

As for the having the rifleman specialist I was going off the previously stated.

'[R-CON wrote:162eRI;983603']
Rifleman > Chinese or Russian AK

Combat Medic > Chinese or Russian AK

Rifleman Specialist > Chinese or Russian AKs

Combat Engineer > AKs or Russian/Chinese SKS

Rifleman L-AT > AKs and Russian RPG

Where it was said it seemed the Rifleman Specialist is at least partly planned. To help with the mixed weapon feeling perhaps an iron sights G3 or an iron sights FN Fal (If exec_4ever modeled one.) would assist in giving off that atmosphere.

I think that the OGG must be a full conventional army, you know, more weapons, more fun. For H-AT use the RPG-7 Tandem and for AA the Blowpipe, nigeria uses the blowpipe... that's my opinion.

And you guys are doing a great job with this faction, a really fast job.

Sorry my english isn't so good =D

[R-CON]162eRI

I want to ask you, and also all who is involved in development of this Faction, that concerning introduction to playing for this faction of Mi-24 (HIND)?
Can we hope, what for this Faction we will see this technique in a Game?

It's the attack chopper we have planned to add to this faction, but it will need a lot of work !!!
If someone wants to model it, let's do it !!

Or ask USI to use their Hind model

Cheesygoodness wrote: Where it was said it seemed the Rifleman Specialist is at least partly planned. To help with the mixed weapon feeling perhaps an iron sights G3 or an iron sights FN Fal (If exec_4ever modeled one.) would assist in giving off that atmosphere.

Not sure about the G3, but definitely agree with the FN Fal. It's a weapon i've been longing to see in PR forever. FN Fals are defenitely a + for immersion, rather than AK47 or Type 56 that are already used by insurgents, talibans and chechens.

[R-CON]162eRI wrote:Don't worry Merc, the Hind will definitively be in the African faction. True enough, not all the Western African countries used it, but because of movies or I don't know what, for us the bad guys of the African army without the Hind aren't the bad guys...

Bad guys witn/in Mi-24! ) Really, good humour!

[R-CON]162eRI wrote:In reality, they have few Hinds. So, on some of our maps we will give them one or two Mi-24 only and not respawnable...

I think, it is a not quite successful idea. Helicopter without next re-spawn?..
To my mind, It a bit not right...
Is it possible yet to correct?

[R-CON]162eRI wrote:Of course, this Hind, and especially the inside, will not be as beautiful as =USOR=Oleg-Russia Hind TT_TT

Yes, I agree with it and I saw his models! Many of works of Oleg are beautiful, and more precisely - all from them!
But why can not you use work of Oleg concerning this model of helicopter? I can not understand it. In fact he offers that we are necessary just!



In general, I must say that a new model must be magnificent work!

Only one yet wish to the model of helicopter: maybe, Is it possible to do a model with plenty of the suspended blocks with rockets?
All of us know that such modifications exist in the armies of many countries in reality. The more so - in the armies of the African countries!. And many of us saw the foto's of such modifications of Mi-24 here!

So, good luck to you in your work!

Merc wrote: But why can not you use work of Oleg concerning this model of helicopter? I can not understand it. In fact he offers that we are necessary just!

Simply put, they're too detailed. They're so detailed that his models would lag and not work within BF2 R. They'd work with crysis, or for movies, but not for PR.

2hours delay for Respawn!..
Even I will not be able so long to wait respawn of this damn beautiful Heli !..

Also as now can not wait to play in 0.9 ))

And... I am glad to hear that our opinions meet concerning the amount of blocks with rockets. Thanks!

P.S.: Oleg, as well as every Russian man, simply can not create such a low-poly model! He can do the heaviest, the best and the highest-poly models only!!

We, Russians, talk so:
"Взялся за гуж, не говори что не дюж!"

In English this phrase sounds as "In for a penny, in for a pound."
(Also, "Better never begin than never make an end")

I think that you understood what I talk about! : DDD