Well I've yet to see that happen successfully. If it did happen, the squad would catch on pretty quick. But a good rule is to always expose yourself to the same danger as your squad mates: Lead from the front![R-CON]Outlawz wrote:What about when the SL is a heavy duty wtfpwn vet who uses the squad as bait for his kills?
It's the friend of poor squad leaders.charliegrs wrote:the kick button is your friend.
you have to be kidding me! you HAVE to kick some players, plain and simple. i dont have to kick people very often (except when the squad is full and i have to make room for friends, of course) but i do kick occassionally. some people just dont care to play as a squad and those people are of no use to me as an SL (regardless of k/D ratio, which is normally low). i will not argue with someone about my orders. i will give a few chances and then i will kick if they dont fall into line. there are too many good players waiting to replace him.CAS_117 wrote:It's the friend of poor squad leaders.
I agree with everything you said. However a guy who has 30-1, half way across the map, and giving me an attitude means nothing to me. I consider everyone noob or skilled platyer a rifle. Meaning in an engagement he puts rounds off, even if he doesn't hit anything, he is helping us by keeping the enemy in check. I really hadn't explained enough how I squad lead in my original post. I wouldn't for example give the HAT to a noob. I give people assignments they can handle. But in the end of the day, he can have a 30-1 uber awesome KDR, but if he isn't a team player he means nothing to me. If he thinks he knows how to play the game better than me, he can give me legit advice. But if he doesn't like my orders after that he can leave. I would love to play a game of PR with you CAS.CAS_117 wrote:Well I've had people get mad at me while I was SL, but that was largely due to the map we were on where the OPFOR had tanks and we had 5.56. Some people just have short fuses, and as SL I expect to encounter them. What I see happening and I don't like is this narrowing of the community into "teamworkers and noobz". That can only be bad.
Ok this is probably where we differ. A guy having a 0-10 score probably is having some aiming difficulties, or the more likely issue is that 99% of squad leaders consider wave rushing a legitimate tactic. My advice is to focus simply on killing the enemy which most people understand, as opposed to securing ultimately meaningless objectives. Then players with positive K-D ratios I usually leave alone, save for giving general responsibilities such as "watch center of town", and then keep players with a negative KD in close proximity to you with very specific orders such as "Face this marker and wait for hostiles".
And the thing is, skilled players appreciate not being treated like imbeciles, and what zimmer would call "level 1 noobs", will like the close direction and ultimately the apparent success that should result. I say should because if what you're telling them gets em killed, well, stop ordering them.
I mean think of how you would react if some guy who forgot his officer kit twice this game with a 2 - 16 KD starts threatening to kick you because you have a marksman kit and are 35 - 1 or something. Maybe he knows something you don't? Wait for the first contact, see who performs the best. Micromanage the "noob" players, let the skilled ones do the heavy lifting. Everyone will have a better time because you won't have to argue with good players, you won't overburden and ultimately be disappointed by poor players, and you will not have to micromanage 5 people and yourself.
You see main issue with this idea of unquestioning obedience to the squad leader is that the only qualifications that are required is the ability to move a mouse over a button and click it.
So kicking people from a squad without a fair chance, valuing obedience over results, and tuning out players possibly know more than you is a good way to lose. See once the game is no longer about winning or losing it is no longer a game, but is more of an online social network, which isn't inherently fun when everyone is a stranger.
From what I can tell, you seem to be leading unskilled players, so then just stick to basic orders. Give them targets to shoot at with attack markers while you watch their backs, and don't stop talking.
Threedroogs wrote:you just have to be persistent with your orders. begin giving orders at the start of the round that'll help you gauge the effectiveness of your squadmembers. orders like:
"meet here *marker* and group up. we are moving as a group at all times."
"slow down player-X. wait for the squad...we are coming up behind you."
"player-X...wait at the RP for the dead guys to respawn. move as a group back to the objective."
(repeat movement orders often)
"keep moving towards the north. once we get north a hundred more meters we will start moving east toward the objective. keep moving...NICE AND SLOW."
(if people keep wandering around even after you've given multiple orders...kick. they'll be worthless when trying to do important stuff. if people contradict or complain about your orders...kick. those guys should lead their own squads. you shouldnt be an a-hole as an SL, but you certainly shouldnt put up with any bullcrap. you're the boss.)
if you get your squad moving as a group at the start of the round (and kick the guys that dont fall into line) the rest of your orders will be followed. i have found the random guys i get into my squads to be very capable, for the most part.
summary:
*communicate early and often
*one of most important roles as SL is to keep the squad together
*dont put up with BS
*dont move too fast! (it's hard to keep the squad together if everyone is sprinting everywhere. i tell my guys to doubletime it when i want a full charge. at all other times we are moving at a slow pace.)
*use the markers
I really liked this squad, they listened to my orders, and performed nicely.We should play once, I'll tell you the reason they don't listen.amazing_retard wrote:I have Lead squads in the past with mixed results, but today on Kozeleck (I forgot how to spell it) was something different. I started off the round alone in my INF VOIP squad, thinking "I'm going to lead a squad!!" How foolish of me! I started off trying to build an FB in position to attack the first chechen flag. Nobody else was building, so why not us? WRONG!
NOTE: My memory is bad I don't remember what everyone said exactly.
First noob: "OMG why are we building a firebase! WE HAVE RALLY POINTS!!!"
Second noob: "OMG!!! Why are you putting up wire, we are bleeding tickets we have to go!" (Kozeleck has no bleed no the first flag, and we had 380 tickets..)
Shortly afterward we get attacked:
The wave of screaming, bitching, and crying, shames a children's daycare.
We repell the chechens and I ask the squad to build up the FB. After some confusion because my squad cries at every order:
Third noob: "Squad leader you have no idea what your doing, I'm going to attack" * I kick*
The day has just begun my friends! Is it just me, or is squad leading becoming babysitting? Every time I put a marker down for a rally, I get useless people running around doing what will make them get more kills. I feel like a mom yelling at her kids, except in PR I can't beat them because it's just a gameIt has become so bad that people personally insult me, because they aren't getting 1337 kills.
Now there are those who will say that you need a good team. Even on a good team my orders don't get followed to the degree that they should be. Everyone seems obsessed with getting kills, and not working for the team or objective.
However with time, all the noobs left for the most part and I got a decent squad, and the game turned out to be ok. However even for them, my orders are excepted reluctantly, people break off to their own instinct to get kills, and people just ignore me. I can't kick everyone, or I won't have a squad!
Can someone help me out? Or am I doing something wrong?
I'm not being too uptight or doing something suicidal! I just asked them to hold on the an area in the flag!
I see this more and more on every server, people want to go off an get kills... This all happened on a very popular server, that stresses teamwork.