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assign them as basic rifleman and let them follow and listen. they will eventually build up an understanding of the battlefield.

lucky14 wrote:Okay, let me help you out. Noob is for those stupid idiots ruining the game.

Sorry but I reject the notion of newb and noob as having different 'official meanings', it doesn't even take into account that people spell it nub as well.

lucky14 wrote:New-bie (shortened to newb) is used for unskilled players trying to get better at the game.

If someone is NEW they're a NEWbie. - A simple definition that's somehow been distorted.

lucky14 wrote:Plus, not everyone likes saying things like smacktard, asshat, idiot, moron, ******, etc. and that is why the word gets used.

I don't believe that's the main reason the word noob is generally used, regardless of their perceived severities it's all derogatory. Some might be reserved when it comes to slandering/raging online but from my impression most aren't.

lucky14 wrote:The only problem is that newbies get grouped with those idiots ruining the game.

By claiming that noob is actually different from newb you're adding to the problem.

People have already been calling others newbs/noobs/nubs in the derogatory sense for various reasons, hence the confusion as to what it 'really means'.

You can't easily verbally distinguish newb and noob, so you're just going to create misunderstanding in any VOIP conversation. Plus you're ignoring the people who spell it nub or variate between them because they believe it's the same thing.


You may be a seasoned player but if you make a mistake you will likely be instantly bashed and called a newb/noob/nub by others. Because people don't base it on whether you're new or not they just assume you suck and want to express their impression.

You might not make a mistake either, instead you might just be doing something that another player disapproves of and he'll call you a newb/noob/nub for that as well.

However it's spelt, it's commonly used to express that a player is either:
1. Bad at what they're doing (new to it OR just bad period - not the same thing)
2. Perceived as an undesirable player (could be based on intelligence, behaviour, difference of opinion etc.).

Yet both meanings can be mixed, especially in PR where a new player is conceived as undesirable by some. Because team work is important and new players naturally have a lot to learn before they're more of a benefit then a liability.

Regardless, it originates from newbie which in gaming obviously means new player and hence that is it's 'correct/official' meaning.

It's not hard to use different words to avoid confusion, there is plenty of alternative words/phrases there whether you're after full on insults or something more subtle and reserved.

Snazz there are things we know and we do not have to talk about them.

This is not the right place to discuss this, do it over PM please, thanks.

I never do anything differently - I just say "Alright bud, stick with the squad and try to hang on"
They've all got brains so can do the rest themselves. Getting them into the infantry squad dynamic early prevents them from even wanting to solo assets. Too much fun in my squad ya see =)

Well, today was my first day and I doubt it'll be the last. Had a very nice time with good squad leaders that didn't mind answering some of my questions and I actually think I did a nice job running around healing people.

It's good to teach the new guys , That is fine. But if that bothers you is when players come to ruin the game, destroying equipment and doing TK just for fun, I really hate this. to teach noobs its just showing PR is Growing bigger but we need to do something with the PR Killers

First off this thread about new players (noobs, NEWbie, nub) not asshats. So continuing to talk about asshats isnt helping. Yes we all know we hate them.

ON TOPIC

I think a good way to teach new players is to have a maximum of one new guy in your squad. Any more and you lose your SL ability to lead. Dont baby that player, send him out in buddie systems. "Yo new guy go with this guy and follow him".

I've played a few games where we had one new guys that really wanted to play and had a great time. Kept saying things like "Oh I'm sorry" and "Oh I didnt know" and if you keep a authority like stance and be understanding "No problem man, no need to be sorry just keep watching that hill" you will help allot of new guys.

I know there is this negative attitude to new guys but a majority of you are new guys. Like it or not. And at some point I'm sure some guys in game helped you out and maybe if it was only in a small way.

And I hate to point fingers but its all our fault if these new players come in and end up being crappy players. If your not willing to help out your part of the problem.

Valketh wrote:Well, today was my first day and I doubt it'll be the last. Had a very nice time with good squad leaders that didn't mind answering some of my questions and I actually think I did a nice job running around healing people.

Happy to hear that. Keep it rolling!

[R-DEV]CodeRedFox wrote: And I hate to point fingers but its all our fault if these new players come in and end up being crappy players. If your not willing to help out your part of the problem.

True words, total agree on that.

Lets get outta there dudes and teach the nubs how to rock PR!

I know for one. When I lead my next squad, and I find a newb in there, I'll definately do my best to teach him

wuschel wrote:2) Give them a chance to learn some very basic stuff in Your squad: Rifleman or Medic, shooting, cover, communication.

Rifleman, yeah sure but telling a new player to go medic is a big mistake. I've seen new guys that havn't read the manual in their first game as a medic, it's not pretty.

People think just giving the new guy the medic kit is a good idea so you can go off and play with the other toys whilst the newb tries to save you, it's not going to happen.

I've come across new medics screaming out for me to heal them, other new medics trying vanilla-med tactics without the proper use of smoke cover etc... It's one of the more difficult kits to use effectively IMO.

If you tell a newb to be medic, tell him his rifle is there for self defence or supressive fire, otherwise you'll see him try the kind of stuff people do in vBF2.

ya i think the best way to help out new players is to be patient with the ones that actually wanna learn how to play the game right
about a week ago i was a an SL as an insurgent on karbala and i had a new guy in my squad and after some trial and error and little advise he turned out to be dam good with an AK and impressed me when he spawned at the cache and told me that he didn't pick up RPG cuase he wasn't good with...

FYI-im pretty new too, but getting the hang of it

Any new guys with mic wishing to join the game probably won't have too much problems with positive attitude. The problem is the guys who don't read the forums etc.

That said I'd be happy to help anyone new get started, just contact via XFire. New guys with proper attitude are always welcome to join my squad.

If they have a urge to learn how to play PR I will gladly take them into my squad.
I usually say it just like this when my squad is full: "Mic check! Ok guys, quick facts. If you grab a sniper kit during anytime of the match you will get kicked from the squad. Not following my orders or running on your own adventures will get you kicked from the squad. Lets have some fun."

Sgt.Smeg wrote:Rifleman, yeah sure but telling a new player to go medic is a big mistake. I've seen new guys that havn't read the manual in their first game as a medic, it's not pretty.

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People think just giving the new guy the medic kit is a good idea so you can go off and play with the other toys whilst the newb tries to save you, it's not going to happen.

That really depends on the rookie player. I started out as a medic in a insurgency type of map. My squad was thankful that I brought them back to their feet. It was a very quick learning process, and I was kept quite busy, as You can imagine.

As You said, make the new player aware of the role he has to play in the squad. He will make mistakes, no chance to avoid that.

Valketh wrote:Well, today was my first day and I doubt it'll be the last. Had a very nice time with good squad leaders that didn't mind answering some of my questions and I actually think I did a nice job running around healing people.

Hey were you the guy that i was teaching? We were in an apc then we went medic around al barash (the map) and answered your questions?

It was some player that had VAl
in their name.

Tomato_With_A_Rifle wrote:I was teaching this newb the other day,(he had a mic and spoke english and had an accent) i tought him that you can zoom in apc, switch too heat rounds, and all that.

He did a bad job gunning, i was laughing how he completely missed all targets that we saw (but hey, its his first time playing and he probably had his land vehicle sensitivy settings too high because thats what it looked like).
but he was learning and thats all that matters. In the end of that we got attack by 2 little bombcars coming right at us and we died.

After that, i told him to spawn medic and i showed him how to switch to fully automatic, heal himself, and answered all the questions he had. He suppriesed me when we were on the ground he was a REALLY good shot with the British gun with iron sights.

I love to teach newbies how to play. Especially when the WANT to learn, not just "fly the leet choppah"

I think teaching a new player how to be a medic is a great idea, if you teach them how to do the job they will do fine and learn to become good.

The medic kit, this is actually how I started... Just because I wanted to heal myself cuz I got shot often in the beginning... I read the manual (medic-part) though and knew what to do. And the cover&smoke use comes from alone.

The reason most loaded PR is because they read what it is about and were like, me like. Not necessarily the case with noobs, as opposed to newbies. Noobs will d+ck around for a while but gone soon enough as PR puts them off, newbies will learn like we all did, by getting voip, sticking with a squad and doing what everybody else does.

I do not think you really notice the newbies, only the noobs and if they want to snipe, they want to snipe, nothing you can do about it.

Good Stuff

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Take the time.