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You sir are the root of the problem. Thanks for letting everyone know why new players feel not wanted.

Hey its not like I dont ask them politely in VOIP and in squad chat multiple times to work with the rest of the squad. The good dudes in my squad usually approve meaning the human target isnt just being a noob, but not even trying. Noobs will usually stick with the group when you ask them too, although they still die a lot and waste tickets.

EDIT: Also I like to TK hikers that like to run away from the squad when things arent uber exciting. I usually say something like "WTF were you doing out there in the first place? I thought you were an enemy. Stick with us so that doesnt happen again." and that usually fixes the problem.

JKRMAUI wrote:Yeah, the hackers are an issue (...) it does boggle me why they would waste their time harassing a mod like PR.

Well known fact of life - the more lethal a mod is, the greater incentive to give yourself an edge is. The more hardcore the game, the more people will try to cheat.

lmisbah1234 wrote:hi everyone i have noticed recently last 2 weeks on the server i usually play on which i wont name that it is starting to feel like vanilla again,?

This happens to all tactical games because:

- There is a very large intake of new players. As BF2 is now £9.99 you will get increasingly more. Don't forget vanilla BF2 now advertises PR on its popup screen.
- New versions and awards and publicity for PR always attracts a load of new players. Its healthy to do so. New opinions, and many will become good tactical players of PR.
- Pretty soon they get bored and leave.

Solution:

Lead by example, squad lead, encourage teamwork and give your squad some victories using those techniques to show them it works.

Choose ur servers wisely.

I'd !resign that fellow immediately, or !k, no room for wasters at SLs imo.

If you don't like the people on a server, or the admins aren't willing to do anything about it, move servers, I hate seeing badly admined servers with full populations. Bite the bullet and d/c and load up another server. You'll feel better for it.

redman0123 wrote:EDIT: Also I like to TK hikers that like to run away from the squad when things arent uber exciting. I usually say something like "WTF were you doing out there in the first place? I thought you were an enemy. Stick with us so that doesnt happen again." and that usually fixes the problem.

Seriously THIS IS THE WRONG WAY TO DO IT

Teamkilling is never acceptable in any shape or form, there are other ways to get squad members to work together than to just shoot them.

It will settle down soon. I think that probably only 10% of people who download PR actually stick around, and they're the players we want to stick around.
3 things have happened recently that has meant a lot of new people have found out about the mod:

Winning mod of the year.

The EA pop up advert in BF2.

Lots of BF2 players reloading the game due to the 1.5 patch, and then seeing the PR pop up.

Also I think the hackers are probably around more at the moment, as in a couple of weeks, the BF2 patch will prevent some of their tricks, and allow them to be banned much more effectively.

It might be a bit of a rough patch at the moment, but I'm sure PR will come out of it better off, with an increased player base.

Also alot of the problems can be avoided by choosing your servers carefully - some of the servers that have a good reputation are terrible in my experience, where as some of the lesser known ones, are really good. Creating/joining a squad called "TW" or "VOIP" also makes a big difference.

actually, the pr popup has been replaced by a new ea game they will make money off of

Teamkilling is never acceptable in any shape or form, there are other ways to get squad members to work together than to just shoot them.

You do realize that we're just using digital avatars, right? These are computer generated models not real live human beings youre blasting apart.

As far I'm concerned, admins wont ban smacktards for being totally un cooperative and ruining the game, so they keep showing up and keep soloing that last humvee in main... They gotta learn that they aren't wanted unless they shape up somehow.

Everything on this subject has been covered already... all i can say is.. a good PR round is decided by a small handful, the squad leaders. Get good squad leaders on both sides and it's epic.. get bad ones, and it results in lone wolfs and general smacktardery. Any server any time.

its been said alot but hey what do u expect its advertised on BF2 also its a good sign the mod is growing in popularity

now why dont u like i do even if i dont want to to begin with make a squad. You can explain ure situation to joiners say look man ill lead but i want you to stay with me, check for voip all that a negative kick, You are gunna find alot of ppl that wana have basic instruction or even some better players like YOU who want a real game
. The price many many *facepalms* but u were a face palm once

Further, bunny hopping lone wolfing etc etc this is hardcoded into the human players . We win by teachin those that wana play and kickin those that dont.

First time i played PR was 6months b4 i started 4 real and i was on for like 2hrs being a **** cuz no one wud show me the ropes AND RTFM didnt help 50% of issues

dont be a ban handing whore who lives to think ppl are stupid

I can't believe how many people are agaisnt these 'noobs'...

Listen, if you want PR Mod to continue to grow and prosper like it has, you have to show how it works and how it is played. Don't kick them out of your squad! Let them follow and learn first hand how to become one of the more experienced. Kicking them (from squad) and letting them fend for them self is exactly what is making the problem grow. The server I play on most is TexasTeamPlayers, and they have a large community who are willing to help those new people. I am also one who helps anyone who needs help. Now I'm not saying direct all of them over there, but PLEASE, help the whole PR community out and help these new people who have ventured over from Vanilla World. Rejecting them because they arn't as 'pro' as you is making it worse and it needs to be fixed. Now if they completely disregard your order or some other obvious act of silliness, after you have made several attempts to contact them and try to break the surface, then is the time action can be taken.

If you want PR not to turn into Vanilla, then show respect to the new players who just spent those 2 or so hours downloading the best mod of the year!

imo, amount of so-called tards, n00bs etc. is relativly the same in % of all players, but as i can see more and more people play PR so problem of tards becomes more noticeable
as mentioned above, find some servers which are in your opinion well admined and have good playerbase, then maybe you'll find a clan to join(or they will find you) so you can jump into any server and create your own organized squad

@lmisbah1234

Yes theres an influx of new, annoying, and stupid players
Is PR turning into vanilla...not even slightly, go play vanilla right now and see how long you can stand it. Even when i play and im kicking everybody's ***(which aint hard on vanilla) its still just awful in comparison with PR

Solution to your problem, try joining say 3 different servers till you can find a decent game, as you'd have to in any populated multiplayer game. Or even better find a clan that suits your needs and play with some friends in pubs and/or clan skrims

Bitchin about it on the forums will not solve anything, be proactive

[R-DEV]CodeRedFox wrote:PR tardness can and should be tracked like the weather.

Gotta love the chopper crashing idiots...


What SHOULD happen...

Noob 1: OMG ITS A COBRA
Noob 2: LETZ GO!!!!
*get in it*
Noob 1: OMG WE NEED A KIT!!!!
Noob 2: BUT HOW DO WE GET THOSE!?!?!
*noobs get out*
*2 guys in pilot suits walk towards the cobra*
Noobs: SHOOT THEM!!!!
*they are shot, and die*
Noobs: LOL
*Noobs suddenly realized they've been banned*

I had the same problem as you. Just from now on lead a squad in every game. You will become a better SL over time, and before you know it, you will often find yourself on the best squad board. However this doesn't fix the problem. You will get *******/noob people in your squad. Not to mention PR is about squads working together, meaning your squad can't carry the whole team. You have to accept that sometimes YOU WILL GET BAD GAMES . I recommend leaving the server/switching teams.
On a simpler note, become SL call the shots. But don't expect to be successful if your entire team blows.

If you join a squad, and they suck, leave and make your own or join another one.
If the server enforces teamwork, tell on them and they might start working better or be kicked so someone who will use teamwork can join instead.

Before I joined PR I'd never heard of Vanilla, so please can someone give me a brief run down why it's so bad, please?

You know I think this is the 3rd thread this week about this very topic. Funny how those that were invited to the stress test (the trusted good players of the community*) also happens to showed a reduction of professional players on the public servers.

So its really going back to if your having a noob day it might be because your part of the problem and not the solution. Time to get a name for yourselves.

@Rabid12, Vanilla is normal BF2. Its a internet word of the original.



*doesnt mean your not a good player, just not a PRDev known good player

Rapid12 wrote:Before I joined PR I'd never heard of Vanilla, so please can someone give me a brief run down why it's so bad, please?

It's bad because anything that doesn't appeal to the esoteric fantasies of the military fetishists who represent an unseemly vocal majority of the hardcore PR community is automatically "wrong."

vBF2 has a lot of good qualities, there's a lot of fun things you can do in it; it was designed to be an entertaining and accessible game, not the military sim some people unreasonably expected it to be.

IMO vBF2's flaws are:

1. It's an EA game, and thus the post-release support is the bare minimum
2. The balance is a bit pants and could do with tweaking. Some stuff is OP.
3. The content updates were poorly implemented and integrated with the original game
4. The server setup and administration is really half-assed, and some official servers could fix it.

All of these pretty much stem from factor #1 - EA were half-assed with a lot of things, and it hurt the lifespan and sophistication that the game could otherwise've expected.

Problems that have nothing to do with vBF2 itself, and everything to do with factors that could just as easily apply to PR are:

1. The player base is full of kids because it's a lot more accessible than PR (IE anyone can buy a game from a store, hearing about a mod, knowing how to install it, etc etc automatically alienates a ton of younger / less computer savvy players)
2. That player base is massive and diverse, and thus it's much harder to build a community, which hampers teamwork and coordination.
3. It's old, which means the game's stagnating and the playerbase is separating into very specific stereotypes.
4. It's old, which means it's lost its novelty value.

Personally I don't think these are reasons to crucify vBF2...