AH-64 Apache

exocet · Post by **exocet** » 2005-01-23 15:02

Excellent, I don't particularly like the cobra. The thing was pathetic in BFV, so I harbour baaad memories.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2005-01-23 20:20

Silverwolf wrote:They're using the latest varient of the Cobra for BF2 instead of the Apache, can't remember what model it's up to now...

The latest variant of the Cobra is the AH-1Z Super Cobra, also referred to as the "King Cobra" or "Viper." It along with the upgraded UH-1Y will enter service in 2006, I believe.

As for which service is being represented in BF2, it's the US Marine Corps according to their site and interviews.

PunkRockerDave · Post by **PunkRockerDave** » 2005-01-24 03:21

Tacamo wrote: Probably because a bunch got shot up really bad attacking the Medina Division.

We lost no helo's to enemy fire during major combat, most of the medina division capitulated anyway. The only acft lost in the actual "war" were due to either acft trouble or friendly fire.

Tacamo · Post by **Tacamo** » 2005-01-24 21:58

Did the AH-1Z get qualified to use Mavericks yet?

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2005-01-24 22:25

Haven't read anything about it, yet. The Whiskey Cobra was qualified on them, I know, so I think the AH-1Z will probably make the cut in that regard.

Oddly enough, EA/Dice's model is a hybrid of characterstics of the AH-1Z and AH-1W.

Ugly Duck · Post by **Ugly Duck** » 2005-01-25 20:54

Well, without the apache that OH-58 will be a lot less usefull. One of the things that big dome does is pain targets for apaches hellfires, so they can do it from under cover. However, the Longbow can do this its self in the form of the UFO lookin' thing on top of the rotors. But yes, if the army is included then the apache should be too. And the OH-58 is, to my knowledge, an army helo. However, the cobra is an awsome helo, and should remain in game with use on certain marine'ish maps.

Ace101 · Post by **Ace101** » 2005-01-30 04:28

Yea i think the apache is in BF2. I know the AH-1Z Viper is in it too...

Ugly Duck · Post by **Ugly Duck** » 2005-01-30 14:57

BF2 = US Marines = No apache. I think weve seen all of the US vehicles, the apache wasn't one of them. I'm sure if there was an apache they would have shown it, youll notice how much they've e,phasised showing off the cobra. Well they would have done the same for the apache, if they had one. But I think PR can handle making an apache, the models they've shown us so far are all awsome.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2005-01-31 04:17

Ugly Duck wrote:Well, without the apache that OH-58 will be a lot less usefull. One of the things that big dome does is pain targets for apaches hellfires, so they can do it from under cover. However, the Longbow can do this its self in the form of the UFO lookin' thing on top of the rotors. But yes, if the army is included then the apache should be too. And the OH-58 is, to my knowledge, an army helo. However, the cobra is an awsome helo, and should remain in game with use on certain marine'ish maps.

Sorry for the late reply.

If BF2 doesn't have the Apache, we will likely make it for the UK forces anyway, as they now have the Apache Longbow (license-produced by Westland). It could easily be reskinned. And EA/Dice also has the Marines using Blackhawks, which they don't (outside of their VIP transport squadron). So, you never know what might show up in various official patches.

As for target designation, the mast-mounted radome on the AH-64D is the Longbow radar, not a laser designation system.

Tacamo · Post by **Tacamo** » 2005-01-31 04:39

Damn and I thought you guys were going to add the Comanche, FB-22 and maybe even the A-12 Avenger.

So much for realism.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2005-01-31 06:36

LOL Nope, we're not including the F-19 "Frisbee" either.

Post by **BlakeJr** » 2005-02-05 18:32

Ugly Duck wrote:Well, without the apache that OH-58 will be a lot less usefull. One of the things that big dome does is pain targets for apaches hellfires, so they can do it from under cover. However, the Longbow can do this its self in the form of the UFO lookin' thing on top of the rotors. But yes, if the army is included then the apache should be too. And the OH-58 is, to my knowledge, an army helo. However, the cobra is an awsome helo, and should remain in game with use on certain marine'ish maps.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the Kiowa can designate targets for just about any platform that fires laser guided weapons. It is not tied in specifically with the AH-64 line of helos.
So the usefullness is still there even without the Apaches. Cobras can fire Hellfires too you know...

Tacamo · Post by **Tacamo** » 2005-02-05 19:01

Forgot the model number, but I believe the newer Hellfires can use the Longbow radar in addition the lasers to track targets. Makes sense with the Russians building tank mounted kits that detect and try to confuse lasers.

Dr.Spangle · Post by **Dr.Spangle** » 2005-02-05 19:13

Tacamo is correct. The missile will also use it's own internal guidance systems post-launch if the laser or radar data is lost, and the missile is confused.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2005-02-05 19:49

BlakeJr wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the Kiowa can designate targets for just about any platform that fires laser guided weapons. It is not tied in specifically with the AH-64 line of helos.
So the usefullness is still there even without the Apaches. Cobras can fire Hellfires too you know...

That is correct; the Kiowa Warrior can also designate targets for Copperhead laser-guided artillery rounds. The laser target designator is also capable of designating for any compatible air-to-surface weapon in the US arsenal, including Maverick-E AGMs and Paveway series LGBs.

solodude23 wrote:What are other ways to designate targets for Hellfires?

Compatible ground-vehicle based or man-portable laser target designator and the Apache and Cobra can use their own TADS (target acquisition and designation system). Also, some US Marine UH-1Ns and the upcoming UH-1Y are equipped with a FLIR/laser target designator system under the "chin" of the aircraft that can designate for the attack helicopters they support.

Tacamo wrote:Forgot the model number, but I believe the newer Hellfires can use the Longbow radar in addition the lasers to track targets. Makes sense with the Russians building tank mounted kits that detect and try to confuse lasers.

That's correct There are millimeter wave radar guided Longbow Hellfire missiles (AGM-114L) and the most recent laser OR radar guided Hellfire II missiles (AGM-114K).

marto · Post by **marto** » 2005-02-05 21:11

[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker]
BlakeJr wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the Kiowa can designate targets for just about any platform that fires laser guided weapons. It is not tied in specifically with the AH-64 line of helos.
So the usefullness is still there even without the Apaches. Cobras can fire Hellfires too you know...
That is correct; the Kiowa Warrior can also designate targets for Copperhead laser-guided artillery rounds. The laser target designator is also capable of designating for any compatible air-to-surface weapon in the US arsenal, including Maverick-E AGMs and Paveway series LGBs.

solodude23 wrote:What are other ways to designate targets for Hellfires?
Compatible ground-vehicle based or man-portable laser target designator and the Apache and Cobra can use their own TADS (target acquisition and designation system). Also, some US Marine UH-1Ns and the upcoming UH-1Y are also equipped with a FLIR/laser target designator system under the "chin" of the aircraft that can designate for the attack helicopters they support.

Tacamo wrote:Forgot the model number, but I believe the newer Hellfires can use the Longbow radar in addition the lasers to track targets. Makes sense with the Russians building tank mounted kits that detect and try to confuse lasers.
That's correct There are millimeter wave radar guided Longbow Hellfire missiles (AGM-114L) and the most recent laser OR radar guided Hellfire II missiles (AGM-114K).

Damn! You cleared it up all in one shot!

Dust-0ff · Post by **Dust-0ff** » 2005-04-12 02:09

One thing that is a bother is the fact that helicopters stand no chance whatsoever against attack aircraft...there must be some way that this is preventable....

Figisaacnewton · Post by **Figisaacnewton** » 2005-04-12 02:48

Commanche is cancelled...

I think you could add inthe apache for US. make the US Army, Navy and Marines in the Realism mod. Maybe not navy unless we can make a naval combat map (which would utterly rock) but at least army and marines, so we can use more stuff.