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Mr.Hyde wrote:A piece of advice my 1SG gave me back in 95 "If you don't like the way its done, make the rank and do it better!" In this situation I would suggest you form a SQ and do it better. At least with all of these problem areas you already know what not to do.

P.S I've noticed a lot of excellent SLs on the PRT server.

I do but I don't care to all the time or sometimes I join a server mid-round and it makes more sense to join a five man squad than it is to lone-wolf.

Oh, and one of the things I just cannot stand is an order to fall back and regroup when we're pushing the enemy back. Every time this has happened we ended up getting steamrolled. I mean, you've got the upperhand; a small push would finish them off but for some reason the squad leader wants to back off and regroup which let's them respawn and regroup. Argh... makes me want to punch somebody.

I remember when I was taking a flag and my commander ordered me to another flag to defend (it wasn't even under attack). I told him our situation and refused his tactically unsound order; an order that would essentially sabotage our teams efforts. I got kicked shortly afterward as the server rules stated that I must obey. Ah the joys of the inflexible military structures... they cost a lot of countries the win.

Solid Knight. You should not question any order from your commander in a live fight. It is possible that the commander has more intel on something than you. If it happens to be an incompetent commander than next round you know what to do. Take the CO position.

Hmm I used to hate some SLs. They really have no idea what they are doing some people.

HENCE why I now do it myself alot of the time. So here are some of my biggest pet hates if I'm squad leading.

• No mic users really annoy me, for god sake every squad I make has the word VOIP in it (e.g. INF VOIP, TANK VOIP, APC VOIP) so anyone who is stupid enough to join that squad without a mic gets kicked from the squad. And I give them enough chances to respond.
• People who just engage. I've got so annoyed by this that most of the time I now say something like "We are now capping the flag. You will stay in this building away from the windows and not engage anyone untill I say so or they are firing at you/ certain to fire at you). If you break this rule you can say goodbye to my squad in favour of someone who will be more useful" It really is annoying. If you are on the flag and its capping the last thing you want is someone shooting the place up and drawing attention.
• People who call me SIR
• People who don't talk enough. Its annoying to be moving around and all of a sudden one of your guys just starts popping off rounds and when you look you see an entire enemy squad within 20m of you. All he had to do was say something like "Contact 345" but no. To make it worse its usually the medic or someone who starts shooting and thus dies first. It also makes me paranoid that they are plotting something like a mutiny behind my back, and therefore drift further and further from reality as the round goes by with my silent squad.
• People who talk TOO MUCH, so much infact that I can't talk to the rest of the team because Captain[l33t]Tactics[DeltaForce] (A purely ficticious player ) is constantly telling me how a reverse flanking ambush followed by APC insertion where we will use the inverted Russian helecopter method of building assaults where we then split into fireteams and have a dance off which breaks into a synchronised 6 man routine is the best option given our situation. The only problem being that its not, and I'm in charge. Then theres guys who want to give me a running walkthrough of the firefight as if I'm not there (well im not its a game but you get me) but sitting at home watching it on TV:
  
  "WHOAH!! THE ENEMY IS SHOOTING AT US!!! SQUAD LEADER WATCH OUT THERES BULLETS LANDING NEXT TO YOU, AND YOUR THROWING A GRENADE!! OH NO YOUR DOWN!!"
  
  The only battle chatter I like is constructive stuff. Telling me where the enemy are moving, who is down, who is out of ammo, who needs a hand to hold.
• One last thing, although there are MANY more. KIT TAKERS. I have like a blacklist of kits on certain maps, however with the new patch its understandable that the AR gets taken which however is now good. I don't mind if people take kits such as grenadier which is basically their standard kit with a bit of extra BOOM. However, when my squad on Operation Ghost Train consists of a sniper, a HAT, and a pilot ( ) then there is a big problem. Also if I make someone specialist and they pick up a kit, that annoys me.

Well theres my short list of pet hates which I could have made bigger. I hope some of you chuckle and think "I hate that too"

Although whilst we all complain about stuff like this we must think, at least its not Vanilla anymore. I would say PR is the Ben and Jerrys cookie dough/half baked of the battlefield world. Expertly made, and enjoyed by the true connoisseur of bf2 and tactical gameplay I would also like to point out that not only is Ben and Jerrys ice cream the best there is, but it is also hideously overpriced, which is one thing I can't say about PR.

guys dont play PR if at that moment you are nervous ,or not sleep enough , remember behind the game tags are real ppl if you dont like him just kick him (if SL listen SM's ) or leave the squad
one PR tips say something like : if you dont like your SL or dont like how he do that job make your own sq
edit : no bad feelings

[R-CON]MAINERROR wrote:Solid Knight. You should not question any order from your commander in a live fight. It is possible that the commander has more intel on something than you. If it happens to be an incompetent commander than next round you know what to do. Take the CO position.

I take several factors into consideration before ignoring orders. It's never because I just don't feel like doing something or I don't trust the commander. It's generally because I have a better situational awareness than the commander (in the context of how my squad is performing and resistance in the area) since I can actually monitor how things are going at my location and he can only ask me. I can also look at my map and see where other squads are. I pay attention to things like little blue dots disappearing (which indicates they are under attack). I ask people what's going on with their squad. I'm not oblivious to what's going on.

The specific situation was that my squad was taking a flag. We had pretty much steamrolled the opposition and were capping the flag. We were ordered to defend a flag that was not under attack, already had a squad defending it, and it would no longer be in play once I finished capping the flag I was at. Following the commander's order would have hindered our teams progress and as such it was my duty to the team to ignore his bad orders. Even in real life soldiers don't mindlessly follow orders and there is even less incentive to do that in game.

Now, if I was in the same situation but we were actually losing a flag and it only had light or no defense I would defend. If there was sufficient force at the flag I was at I'd defend. If we weren't doing so well I'd go back and defend.

Every once in a while a commander will give a bad order. It's fine if he actually listens to what I'm telling him but it's not okay when he completely dismisses new information and wants you to do something insanely stupid. More often it's that he wants me to move into a position where my squad would get chewed up. For example, on Qwai I'll get and order to cover a bridge even though I don't have a HAT in my squad and I know there is an APC or Tank covering it. The only thing my squad would do covering the bridge is get killed. I'll cover it from advancing infantry by hanging back out of tank range but sometimes some genius wants me to move up to the bridge. Hell no, that's suicide. I will not use my squad as fodder unless I know I'm part of some distraction tactic.

Lone-Assassin wrote:It also makes me paranoid that they are plotting something like a mutiny behind my back, and therefore drift further and further from reality as the round goes by with my silent squad.

I thought I was the only one

Lone-Assassin wrote: Captain[l33t]Tactics[DeltaForce] (A purely ficticious player )

How did you find out what my alias was?

L4gi wrote:How did you find out what my alias was?

I have my ways l4gi.
By night l4gi. But by day... Captain[l33t]Tactics[DeltaForce] haunts the vanilla servers bunny hopping and flying jets

Oh god, assassin put it well. I agree with everything except "people who call me sir". When that happens I lol and take it as a compliment. Makes it sound like I have the authority in the squad etc.

He pretty much has everything down that pisses me right off. About 80% of the time I lead the squad because I am so fed up of the incredible incompetence I encounter. Squad leading without a basic idea of how to play pr is bad enough, squad leading while knowing the mechanics of pr and yet thinking it's alright for a team to be purely inf on combined arms maps, taking point in hostile territory and refusing apc trans instead to walk a kilometer is a whole 'nother thing. I'm currently taking a short break because of the terrible rounds I've recently had.

The 2 worst rounds consisted of me:
1) Raging at my incompetent, (seemingly) micless squad members who were tk'ing me and absolutely refused to take point. (wrote about this in a seperate thread) They ignored simple orders like "go prone and cover us", didn't call out contact on their mics (I ask for mic checks) and didn't seem able to actually kill any US soldiers.
2) The absolute worst I have ever seen a round of PR, similar to the other round, but with a whole team full of idiots. I was on muttrah as mec and saw three apcs abandoned in the city, the crewman were dismounted and charging 1337 style towards the enemy (figured they'd repeated after getting killed). We had a squad defending a firebase more than 300m from the flags (psuedo-good squad leading). My squadmates would all get killed by 1-2 guys while defending meaning I would have to take the medic kit and revive, repeatedly. And the rest of the team strung in a thin line from the objectives to the main base, the individual squad members weren't even close together.


Here's a view of the typical round of PR (just after the release):
I start a squad and people join. "hey guys" etc.
"DON'T WORRY SL I'LL GET THE AUTO-RIFLEMAN!" - random guy
"Right..." "Can I get a volunteer for medic please?" -awkward silence for 15 seconds-
"Ok, can anyone volunteer? Because otherwise I'll just pick one of you guys"
"Yeah alright I'll take medic" - decent player "Cheers"
Detailed plan of battle follows, I say what objective we're heading to, what kits are alright to take, our transport and general modus operati.

Round starts - "God damn it I told you no sniper kits" -kicks 1337 player-
I get into the transport and roll out to the objective, I typically deploy a firebase and dig in around the objective unless it's alright to move out.
We'll get into contact with the enemy without anyone telling me, the cue being a squad member firing at something. There's either an enemy nearby, right next to us or 500m away, we'll also get cut down because of the confusion and lack of co-ordination in the opening seconds. This part happens about 10-15 times in a round with about 5-10 "victories" of our own I imagine against similar opponents.

Surprisingly though, we'll usually come out alright because the squad has kept itself to the objectives and managed to play follow the leader well. (they refuse to take point or understand the concept)

My biggest pet peeve is marking a target with an attack marker and yelling "supressive fire at marker!"
I'll hear only my gun firing for 10 seconds and after yelling "c'mon guys put some fire on the marker" I'll still be the only one firing. My squad mates will also typically then stay silent leaving me thinking:

It also makes me paranoid that they are plotting something like a mutiny behind my back, and therefore drift further and further from reality as the round goes by with my silent squad.

Let me tell you, this scares the shit out of me and I'm nervously saying "guuyysss?..." down the mic only to stare at them all, pointing fully loaded guns at me, watching, waiting.

Its so true.
And you reminded me of another...

We are on Muttrah, we had been in contact with the enemy and both the HAT and Medic were down. We were in decent cover and the enemy were now dead. An APC was outside but didn't know we were there.

An eager squad member runs over to the dead HAT man and steals his HAT, whilst also picking up the heavy anti-tank kit. (See what I did there )

However, the medic and the now HAT-less HATter still lie bleeding to death. I call for one of my surviving men to take the medic kit and revive them both, at this point noticing that the only men alive wield the GL, marksman and HAT kit. Instead they all sit there looking around (and I mean literally spinning round blatently obvious they werent AFK). I ask again - nothing happens.

This is the best part, I then say to the guy with the GL: "Hey jonny-im-so-pro-GL, grab the medic kit and revive them!" to which he replies "I can't I have the GL kit...". So this guy basicaly thought that a GL kit was worth 2 of the squad, including the most important SM (medic IMO) to have to respawn just because it meant he wouldn't have his kit and he would be medic!

He still refuses, and I had to pick up the kit and revive them. When the GL guy died I just left him to respawn

Anyway, the point is. No kit is more important than the medic. If the medic goes down, the nearest person swaps kits and revives the downed man. Simple.

'Jarhead[NL wrote:;1079310']You just can´t handle it we owning you in the battle with our .308´s.....

Funny, cause you just completely contradicted what a sniper is for.

Today we told a sniper to relay intel to us, and he said 'im too busy providing covering fire'.

He was ridiculed out of the server.

Something i hate:

STICK TO YOUR COUNTRIES SERVERS, WHY OH WHY DO YANKS AND RUSSIANS KEEP JOINING THE SERVER EVEN THOUGH THEY GET KICKED FOR PING TIME AND TIME AGAIN?

i mean REALLY, we don't join YOUR servers.

dtacs, chill out dude, in our server we meet USA and GB guys and its ok. think about it, our first language isnt even english

He pretty much has everything down that pisses me right off. About 80% of the time I lead the squad because I am so fed up of the incredible incompetence I encounter. Squad leading without a basic idea of how to play pr is bad enough, squad leading while knowing the mechanics of pr and yet thinking it's alright for a team to be purely inf on combined arms maps, taking point in hostile territory and refusing apc trans instead to walk a kilometer is a whole 'nother thing. I'm currently taking a short break because of the terrible rounds I've recently had.

I agree

Anyway, the point is. No kit is more important than the medic. If the medic goes down, the nearest person swaps kits and revives the downed man. Simple.

it is painfull when you have the LMG, but still has to be done. I agree again

DDT wrote:

• Snipers

i despise snipers, hate them with a passion. to many bad experiences

To add to what joe and lone said, both of whom i agree with completley:

1.SLs who refuse to put markers on the map ( this happened a few days ago on qinling), was in a tank squad and i must of asked the SL 15 times to mark things as they were being reported and he just wouldn't or couldn't do it.Also asked him the same amount of times to leave and rejoin so i could do it but again he just ignored me.

2.SLs who dont/wont look at the map, i've lost count of the number of times our teams lose all their fobs and no one builds anymore. eg: im tank squad on fools rd the other day and end up building 4 fobs for the team while still using my vehicle because no one else would do it.

3.SLs who wont/dont reply to you when you're trying to tell them important stuff(see point 2)
until eventually after spamming them for 5 mins they reply with "huh" which by that time is usually too late.

4.SLs who refuse to defend flags (you know who you are) i have been told before "nah i dont like defending" This is one of the most annoying things in the game for me. Instead of fortifying and staying close to the flag that needs defending they will sit at the next flag constantly asking " are you guys gonna cap that soon we are in position?" and even when they get told NO they still just sit at the flag doing nothing to help the team.

5.SLs and squads on insurgency maps that come out of their main armed to the teeth with every special kit they can get their grubby little hands on, only to see that 5 mins later they are all dead and the insurgents are boasting about how many LAT/HAT/GL/marksmen kits they have got now. I mean seriously every standard kit is special compared with what the insurgents get you really dont need them.

6.Finally i have to say that i can put up with all the retard behaviour,ranging from snipers taking build trucks to the middle of nowhere to asset whores who lose their vehicle and wont play infantry to help but would rather sit and wait 10/20 mins for their precious killing machine to respawn. Than have to put up with dumb SLs who hinder the team by being ........... well just dumb.

See gazz i only hate snipers when they run off on their own, in an INF squad or are right next to the front line. But i do love them when they are out of the way, taking out Hats etc and giving me information on enemy movements.

gazzthompson wrote:i despise snipers, hate them with a passion. to many bad experiences

You have no idea how many times I have been CO, and had a good sniper spotting things out for the rest of the team.

Or, how many times I've had a sniper as an SL that can provide long range cover for my squad, that actually works.

Today I had a pretty cool round. Joined midround and the only squad I could join was a air transport one. So after I've seen that it would not harm anyone of my squad to take a sniper kit I did it and headed off to find a good position on OP Archer.

I achieved pretty much in about ten minutes. a) I killed a squad trying to ambush a convoy leaving the main base and b) denied enemy movement on a wide area in the NE so the friendly forces could move in easier which they did. Took out like 15 guys with that sniper and had it for only 10 minutes. Sadly without a spotter I got knifed from behind about 3 tickets before the end.

But as you can see, if there is a sniper who knows what he is supposed to do it's cool to have one.

dtacs wrote:Funny, cause you just completely contradicted what a sniper is for.

If snipers were only for intel they'd give them a pair of binoculars and not a friggin' high precision rifle. The sniper's primary role is to pick off targets at long range as a force multiplier.

If he isn't supposed to shoot anybody then why not just use the rifleman kit? You'd be better armed and you can see just as far with your binoculars.

Solid Knight wrote:If snipers were only for intel they'd give them a pair of binoculars and not a friggin' high precision rifle. The sniper's primary role is to pick off targets at long range as a force multiplier.

If he isn't supposed to shoot anybody then why not just use the rifleman kit? You'd be better armed and you can see just as far with your binoculars.

The sniper is supposed to shoot high priority targets and have the team take down the low priority ones. A sniper with 10 kills who helped out the team is better than a sniper with 30 kills who doesn't communicate.

I don't know, that's still negative thirty tickets versus negative ten tickets. The high-priority thing happens more or less by chance. It's not like you get missions to kill Captain[1337]Tactics[DeltaForce] and upon doing so crush the backbone of the enemy's command structure. It's more like "Oh, I see a HAT. I should shoot him first." or "I see a medic. I'll kill him first." or "I see a guy blasting away on a .50. I'll shoot him first." Yeah, it's nice if they provide intel. It's nice if they work with the team. However, each kill he gets is an enemy ticket lost.