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Re: Pilots stealing cars

Posted: 2009-08-13 19:02
by badmojo420
snooggums wrote:Or non-existent! Just because you couldn't find something doesn't mean it is hidden, it most likely means it isn't true...

Pilot's lives are worth one point just like everyone else. There's no more reason to save a stranded pilot than to save a stranded soldier whose squad got wiped out. Each case it's one point.
Well I couldn't find reliable information about what survival training air force pilots do get, does that mean they get none? Or does it mean they don't put it all over the internet so potential terrorists who want to shoot down American helicopters can go study their tactics and have a better chance of capturing a downed pilot. I didn't mean to imply that i saw all of their training topics and the car jacking section is a big secret so they left it off the list.

I don't think you'll win any arguments with the 'its only worth 1 ticket' comeback. That ticket represents a life. Should i just ignore you when you are being surrounded and shot at by countless insurgents? After all, you're only worth 1 ticket.

Re: Pilots stealing cars

Posted: 2009-08-13 21:38
by Eddie Baker
badmojo420 wrote:Think about it this way, in real life, when a pilot is downed over enemy territory, and faces an extremely long journey back to safety where he can be extracted, the pilot would be instructed to use any means necessary to get to that location as quickly and safely as possible. When the pilot looks around him, he notices a car with it's window broken, upon further inspection there are keys in said car. Would you expect him to ignore this, and just start walking? Or hop in and drive like his life depended on it?
If he's too stupid to live, then I'd expect him to hop in and drive. Enemy territory. That means the enemy owns the roads, which are used for the mass transport of their troops, so there will also be traffic control points (i.e., roadblocks) manned by other armed personnel. If they spot a non military vehicle driven by someone with the wrong uniform or even complexion, or that is being driven after a posted curfew, they will do whatever it takes to stop it and the person in it.

Likewise, if you're maintaining silence on your survival radio or personnel locating beacon since the enemy is monitoring signals, you can't give notice that you're coming in a civilian or enemy vehicle, so that friendly forces won't shoot you when you drive towards your own advancing ground forces or are driving in enemy territory on a road that your own aircraft are going to be bombing the living **** out of.

The reason you cannot find details of what kind of escape and evasion training US pilots get is because it is classified. SERE Level C school students sign a non-disclosure agreement in addition to whatever clearance they already possess and are subject to prosecution and actual rather than simulated imprisonment if they violate it.

To summarize, this idea is never going to be implemented.

Re: Pilots stealing cars

Posted: 2009-08-13 21:54
by snooggums
badmojo420 wrote:Well I couldn't find reliable information about what survival training air force pilots do get, does that mean they get none? Or does it mean they don't put it all over the internet so potential terrorists who want to shoot down American helicopters can go study their tactics and have a better chance of capturing a downed pilot. I didn't mean to imply that i saw all of their training topics and the car jacking section is a big secret so they left it off the list.
It simply means that if it sounds a bit stretched (carjacking) it probably just isn't true instead of some conspiracy. Kinda like if you said that pilots got training on how to weave squirrel tail pillows, it must be true because they don't put their guide on the internet!
I don't think you'll win any arguments with the 'its only worth 1 ticket' comeback. That ticket represents a life. Should i just ignore you when you are being surrounded and shot at by countless insurgents? After all, you're only worth 1 ticket.
My point is one life is one life, there's no reason to have a pilot's life worth more than another soldier's. If you wouldn't extract a regular soldier from a situation there's no reason to extract the pilot.

Re: Pilots stealing cars

Posted: 2009-08-13 23:53
by badmojo420
snooggums wrote:It simply means that if it sounds a bit stretched (carjacking) it probably just isn't true instead of some conspiracy. Kinda like if you said that pilots got training on how to weave squirrel tail pillows, it must be true because they don't put their guide on the internet!
Wow, just wow. I tried to find information regarding this subject, and came to the conclusion that it's classified information. Nowhere did i state that because this information is classified, does that mean that my suggestions MUST be true in real life. Your reading into things way too much, or just trying to get me to argue with you. Or maybe you're just one of those people who need everything explained in every little detail in such basic language that there would be no chance of misunderstanding any of the information covered. Like a technical manual. Sorry, i'm not about to do that.
'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker;1111576']If he's too stupid to live, then I'd expect him to hop in and drive. Enemy territory. That means the enemy owns the roads, which are used for the mass transport of their troops, so there will also be traffic control points (i.e., roadblocks) manned by other armed personnel. If they spot a non military vehicle driven by someone with the wrong uniform or even complexion, or that is being driven after a posted curfew, they will do whatever it takes to stop it and the person in it.

Likewise, if you're maintaining silence on your survival radio or personnel locating beacon since the enemy is monitoring signals, you can't give notice that you're coming in a civilian or enemy vehicle, so that friendly forces won't shoot you when you drive towards your own advancing ground forces or are driving in enemy territory on a road that your own aircraft are going to be bombing the living **** out of.

The reason you cannot find details of what kind of escape and evasion training US pilots get is because it is classified. SERE Level C school students sign a non-disclosure agreement in addition to whatever clearance they already possess and are subject to prosecution and actual rather than simulated imprisonment if they violate it.

To summarize, this idea is never going to be implemented.
Everything you said in this reply, minus the survival radio part, could be done in-game. I mean, the enemy should be watching the streets and patrolling. And your forces could potentially mistake your civie car for an enemy.

It's true, there would be more enemy forces in a real war, but the battlefield would also not be limited to 4x4km. Anyway, your the dev so if you say no, i'll drop it.

/thread (lock if needed)

Re: Pilots stealing cars

Posted: 2009-08-14 00:00
by snooggums
badmojo420 wrote:Wow, just wow. I tried to find information regarding this subject, and came to the conclusion that it's classified information. Nowhere did i state that because this information is classified, does that mean that my suggestions MUST be true in real life.
Actually the fact that you want the handbook so that you can check to see that whether it contains the hotwiring of cars is what makes me think that you actually believe it could contain information on carjacking...

Re: Pilots stealing cars

Posted: 2009-08-14 00:01
by LeadMagnet
[R-DEV]Eddie Baker wrote:
To summarize, this idea is never going to be implemented.
Couldn't have said it better myself....locked.