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boilerrat wrote:The bot pilots are SO RETARDED that its not even a challenge and you won't learn anything.

you can practice gunning, practice moving troops from A to B, practice bombing moving and deadly targets, all because the Air to Air combat isn't the hardest thing in the world doesn't mean you won't learn anything,

my self wan i started playing PR i just played as inf and would make a locanserver for training on how to fly jets and helos. i can fly both really good but i really don't like flying jets.
and to me a good pilot is someone who can take off land and do CAS not someone that thinks " OOO i have a attack helo so Im going to go out and pown ppl with my hydro rockets " and gets shot down or crashes into a tree 2 min latter

As some have said, though singleplayer does help, the bots aren't exactly fighter aces. I still think that there needs to be a Kashan 32 server out there where serious pilots can dogfight-train. I love flying when I have a good time, and I'm willing to practice - the question is, where can I practice against experienced pilots without waiting 20 minutes each time?

maybe you should make a thread where you ask if some one wanne fight you. with regular dates or something like that. some kind of training-community. otherwise find an existing community there is always someone who wanne learn or train something.

TF6049 wrote:I still think that there needs to be a Kashan 32 server out there where serious pilots can dogfight-train.

Tell me, when was the last time you were in a dog fight in PR?

It's a very rare occurrence, not worth practising. If you can take off, provide CAS, then land, you are a good pilot. You don't need to dog fight because you're never going to do it.

Herbiie wrote:Tell me, when was the last time you were in a dog fight in PR?

It's a very rare occurrence, not worth practising. If you can take off, provide CAS, then land, you are a good pilot. You don't need to dog fight because you're never going to do it.

Enemy jets are a huge threat. If you can outsmart them even if they find you first, and keep them grounded, that means that they have no CAS, which is a major hamper to them.

TF6049 wrote:Enemy jets are a huge threat. If you can outsmart them even if they find you first, and keep them grounded, that means that they have no CAS, which is a major hamper to them.

Leave Enemy Jets to the AA Infantry - we'll do a better job of it than you, same goes with helicopters, I've managed to force an Apache to land without firing a shot (Pilots tend to panic when they hear the lock on noise).

Herbiie wrote:Leave Enemy Jets to the AA Infantry - we'll do a better job of it than you, same goes with helicopters, I've managed to force an Apache to land without firing a shot (Pilots tend to panic when they hear the lock on noise).

Sounds like the airtrap strategy I`ve been discussing in the tournament once...

TF6049 wrote:Enemy jets are a huge threat. If you can outsmart them even if they find you first, and keep them grounded, that means that they have no CAS, which is a major hamper to them.

Agrree, if your frogfoot is down and the mig as well, the A10 and F16 bomb the shit out of you... Not cool at all, that's what I can say... All you do is trying to get the AA but then you already are deead, and the AAs get lazed so they dont even see the jet.

Enemy jet = high value target and if you can,get him down.

Fighter wrote:Training servers will not work for any kind of 'training'. Too many smacks, not enough admins to take care of things.

I put the EEF server on kashan training and was asked not to shoot people down so did not,i myself like to still go on training servers and like others have said there are loads of retards on these.Like pilots flying into choppers or other jets when the new lads are learning not fair on them.
I think the idea of having just a jet and choppers training map will be good idea i know you can do it on quin but way to laggy for a lot of people.
If the new lads would like to go on the EEF Server and train your more than welcome and we will try to make sure you will not get messed around by having admin on there for you.

Herbiie wrote:Tell me, when was the last time you were in a dog fight in PR?

It's a very rare occurrence, not worth practising. If you can take off, provide CAS, then land, you are a good pilot. You don't need to dog fight because you're never going to do it.

Seems like you are one of those pilots who cant break a lock

Flying in PR is not for the weak or faint hearted. Too many players (including myself) hate to see the CAS jets/helos go down with in the 1st 20 seconds of them taking off. Then go and blame the noob in the pilot seat. But for the most part, It is not the fault of the pilot him/her self. It is the nature of the game/mod. The death rate of CAS is so high that anybody but a expert in said jet/Helo is in for a ruff ride. And the experts don't get it any easier as if they go down. They are hated even more. Air to air combat is very short in most cases. The way the Air to Air weapons work make it that way. And is (from what I understand) realistic. Today's real world air to air combat is very VERY short.


Also, For good CAS to work, It requires that ground troops/players need to learn the GTLD. But most players don't want to learn that as it does not go to there "kill count".

Herbiie wrote:Leave Enemy Jets to the AA Infantry - we'll do a better job of it than you, same goes with helicopters, I've managed to force an Apache to land without firing a shot (Pilots tend to panic when they hear the lock on noise).

While you may be an ace AA driver/gunner, I probably will not have the luck of having you on the ground to help me. Many of the AA crews/Manpads operators make all kinds of mistakes including firing immediately as they start locking, not firing at all, etc. Even more aggravating, many crews do not even read the chat or pay attention when friendly jets or helos repeatedly buzz them, flailing wildly about and popping flairs, enemy aircraft close behind.

Elektro wrote:Seems like you are one of those pilots who cant break a lock

Seems to me that I'm not a pilot.

@ Mat not firing at all is a good tactic for AA. Especially vs. helis which usually drop flares then dive, making them vulnerable to just about every thing else. Also if that jet following you gets a lock, then following you isn't going to be first on his list of priorities

Herbiie wrote: Also if that jet following you gets a lock, then following you isn't going to be first on his list of priorities

In my own case, I would still follow the hostile aircraft, just flare out.. The SAM missiles arnt that good against jets, not unless they are flying inside a 400m radius.

And dogfighting is a big part of kashan 64... When two experienced pilots meet, the lock and fire tactic may be a big mistake. Its about angle, speed, SOA, and altitude.