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I'm pretty sure I've heard of .50 cals being used on personnel. I forget where exactly.

Yeah, it could be done. We just don't need/want them in PR.

CAS_117 wrote:I'm pretty sure I've heard of .50 cals being used on personnel. I forget where exactly.

As a Canadian, I'm assuming that you know the longest range kill in history was performed by one of your fellow countrymen (he was using a .50 cartridge weapon).

Yeah I remembered just after I posted.

norway uses the M82 as a common sniper together with nm149 (that is being replaced with hk417)

dont see why its so hard to have the rifle ingame

Zeno wrote:
dont see why its so hard to have the rifle ingame

Its the mentality of 12 year old kids who play PR that ruins it for the rest of us, anything that's .50 caliber attracts noobs like you would not believe.

i dont see why we should sacrifice reality just because some random kid likes a gun

there are so many vids in the net where .50 cal snipers are used against human. I saw vids were army ppl said it is used more often because it did a great job against hideing ppl.

But this disscussion is so old in PR, i think these kind of rifles never bring it back to game.

The game is better without Barret or KSVK

[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Jaymz;1202499']PLA

Modern Firearms - M99 / M06 anti-materiel / sniper rifle
Modern Firearms - M99B / M06 anti-materiel / sniper rifle
Modern Firearms - 12.7mm AMR-2 anti-materiel / sniper rifle
Modern Firearms - 12.7mm JS 05 anti-materiel / sniper rifle

Middle-East

Modern Firearms - Steyr .50 HS sniper rifle (Iran has received shipments of these)[/quote]

As you can see from Jaymz' post, those weapons are listed as "Anti-material" rifles. There is a reason for that designation, instead of "Anti-personnel" rifle.


[quote="CAS_117""]I'm pretty sure I've heard of .50 cals being used on personnel. I forget where exactly.[/quote]

Zeno wrote:norway uses the M82 as a common sniper together with nm149 (that is being replaced with hk417)

dont see why its so hard to have the rifle ingame

@bsurd wrote:there are so many vids in the net where .50 cal snipers are used against human. I saw vids were army ppl said it is used more often because it did a great job against hideing ppl.

In reply to everyone saying they are used against personnel, I'll point back to my own previous comment:

[R-DEV]Ninja2dan wrote:The rifle is obviously capable of engaging personnel, but when you compare it to other sniper weapons, it's largely inferior.

While these weapons are capable of anti-personnel use, they are not designed with that role in mind. Using such weapons against personnel is an uncommon situation such as extremely long range or when no other weapon is available. If a sniper had a choice of weapon platform to engage troops, they would choose a more precise and lighter-weight platform.

The M82A1 is designed to provide commanders the tactical option of employing snipers with an anti-materiel weapon to augment the present anti-personnel M40A1 7.62mm weapon.

The M107 provides a man-portable, materiel destruction capability to the sniper team and/or supported force and complements the anti-personnel precision fire capability of the M24 Sniper Weapon System (SWS). The M107, with a family of ammunition, enables sniper teams to employ greater destructive force at greater ranges and at a higher rate of fire that exceed the terminal effect capability of the M24 (7.62mm, bolt action) SWS.

The primary mission of this rifle is to engage and defeat materiel targets at extended ranges to include parked aircraft; command, control, communications, computers, and intelligence (C4I) sites; radar sites; ammunition; petroleum, oil and lubricants; and various other thin skinned (lightly armored) materiel targets out to 2000 meters.

As long as PR is incapable of permitting the proper employment of those weapons, they have no use in the game. If you need an anti-personnel rifle, there are already models present for every faction. Maybe one day we'll see the coding team figure out how to effectively use anti-material weapons, but until then I don't see them becoming available.

look i think that we could all decide that the bigger the gun the better

master of the templars wrote:Its the mentality of 12 year old kids who play PR that ruins it for the rest of us, anything that's .50 caliber attracts noobs like you would not believe.

oh please.
then remove all the CAS aircraft too then, since all the "kids" want to fly them too?

The idea of using these weapons ingame actually might have merit, such as removing the enemies comms from play in an obj similar to destroying weapons caches. Why not add this as a "bonus" obj to a insurgency-type gameplay (in addition to caches, a team scoring an effective "kill" on a comms tower or something would give extra tickets to the BLUFOR but wouldn't detract from OPFOR). It would expand the narrow focus which PR is currently limited to, kills and caches.

I disagree with people who said that 12.7 cals isn't use to shoot infantery. This heavy cals allows snipers to shoot at more of 1500 meters. i have read a debriefing which says that a shooter killed a taliban at 2450 meters with a 12.7 cals in a Hecate II.

If PR makes it possible for players to see more than 1000 meters, cals 50. should be used

sorry for my english there are 2 or 3 things i am not sure that is good form ^^

Just wait and see what they do with the sniper class, I know the main reason that people want this is probably because it kills in one hit.

Personally I'm tired of shooting someone in the chest and not having them fly like a fish.

Like I said, they are tweaking the sniper kits for future releases so just wait to see if they make it a 1 hit kill for any rifle. (if you do people won't really freak out over getting the .50 cause the M24/M40 will do just as good a job vs infantry)

Joeziah wrote: I know the main reason that people want this is probably because it kills in one hit.

doubt it, from experience most want it for the "Leet" factor as snipers are glorified in todays films etc

Joeziah wrote:*snip*
Personally I'm tired of shooting someone in the chest and not having them fly like a fish.
*snip*

You're forgetting some laws of physics. In order for that person to go that distance, the shooter would have to go the same distance in the opposite direction.

Killer2354 wrote:You're forgetting some laws of physics. In order for that person to go that distance, the shooter would have to go the same distance in the opposite direction.

Muzzle brakes and recoil compensators correct that problem.


But in reality, the .50-caliber is not generally going to do that. The flying bodies was a bug.

it should be like if you right click when recuesting sniper you get a 50.cal. and left click you get the standar sniper.

and limit the 50. to one per team

Here is a simple question.

Why does everyone that agrees want it in PR?

As Ninja2dan has said. Its primarily an anti-material rifle. Designed to disable enemy vehicles and other objects.

It has also been used to exceed the standard range of a normal sniper's rifle. Such as the M24.

PR's current scale doesn't lend itself to 'exceeding' the range of a normal rifle. The engagement size and the lack of accurate depiction of its anti-material abilities are reasons for it not to be in PR.

I'm not going to arguing that it draws 'noobs'. I'm still a noob in many aspects. I also don't use sniper rifles.

I'm not going to say 'It looks cool' as a reason to add it to the game.

What reason do you want the weapon ingame? Give some facts / reasons why it should be added to the game for realism sake and for practicality's sake. Yes the longest confirmed sniper kill was by a .50 caliber weapon however. Its also much farther range then you can engage in PR.

IMO it isn't needed ingame, even though I want it. As it has been said, the PR maps are smaller than the maximum range of this weapon (or the range exceeded), therefore having it is redundant. Noobs are always taking snipers and wasting the kit as is, adding a .50 cal will only make it worse.