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madparatrooper wrote:It's call Project Reality....

Zeno wrote:still they refuse to put in the m82

'[R-DEV wrote:Ninja2dan;1202488']From a realism standpoint, the .50-caliber rifles and other similar-caliber special-purpose weapons are used in combat on a limited scale. They are not a normal weapon of issue, even for those who use them frequently. They are considered "special purpose" for a reason.

These weapons are usually used in the roles of anti-material and UXO removal. In fact, the M82 was originally designed as an AM rifle capable of defeating long-range hard targets such as parked aircraft. It was in no way designed with the intent of attacking personnel. The rifle is obviously capable of engaging personnel, but when you compare it to other sniper weapons, it's largely inferior.


From a gameplay standpoint, I see it being almost impossible to realistically integrate such a weapon system into PR. For example, vehicles do not have specific hit-boxes that can be used to determine if the shot would have done damage to the vehicle or not, and if so what amount of damage. A .50-caliber (12.7mm) round is not going to do jack shit to an armored vehicle such as an MBT unless you are striking external unprotected components like sensors, optics, antennas, etc. And for light-armored vehicles such as an uparmored HMMWV, you would need to hit a specific point on the vehicle from a specific angle in order to do anything more than chip paint or annoy the occupants.

If this kit was to be added to PR again, it would have to be done so under the guidelines that it would be used primarily as an anti-material rifle only, with use against personnel being for emergencies and defense only. But because our players are not real soldiers, those players are undoubtedly going to try using the weapon in aspects which it was not intended or desired. The expoitation of the game limitations are what I feel is the primary reason such weapons are no longer available in PR.

The only way I see this type of weapon ever being permitted into PR is if we can come up with a suitable means of use, but as mentioned above that is likely an engine limitation that can't be overcome. Can I shoot a land mine to disable it? Can I shoot a tire or engine on a jeep and disable that vehicle? Can I fire at a tank, even with a thousand rounds, and still do zero damage? Those are just a couple of examples of why it's not present in the game right now.

'[R-DEV wrote:Ninja2dan;1202812']
While these weapons are capable of anti-personnel use, they are not designed with that role in mind. Using such weapons against personnel is an uncommon situation such as extremely long range or when no other weapon is available. If a sniper had a choice of weapon platform to engage troops, they would choose a more precise and lighter-weight platform.
As long as PR is incapable of permitting the proper employment of those weapons, they have no use in the game. If you need an anti-personnel rifle, there are already models present for every faction. Maybe one day we'll see the coding team figure out how to effectively use anti-material weapons, but until then I don't see them becoming available.

stiankir wrote:Even though the real army use Aim-Point, it shouldn't be much of a problem to just add some EO-Tech-sights!!!!

[R-MOD]KP wrote:Personally, I think that the Engineer (STING?) should be using the HK416. AFAIK, the Norwegian Army's professional Combat Engineer unit, STING kp C (IIRC), deploys more or less organic with the TMBN units, so they have the capacity readily available. The STINGers use the HK416, same as TMBN.

[R-COM]pleym wrote:I think maybe also we better change

Since you crated the weapons do you know if they use Iron or Aim-Point?

[R-COM]pleym wrote:The EO-Tech sights will not be used.. But you can play with EO-Tech if you play as rifleman specialist in the future as Dutch

- Våre retningslinjer er klare. 12,7mm «multi-pupose»-ammunisjon skal kun brukes mot harde og semi-harde mål, ikke mot personell. Unntaket er ved rent selvforsvar der andre våpen og annen ammunisjon ikke er tilgjengelig, svarer til slutt general Roar Sundseth, nestkommanderende ved FOHK.

-Our policy is clear. 12.7mm «multi-pupose»-ammunition is only to be used against hard, and semi-hard targets, not against personnel. The exception is selfdefence where other weapons and ammunitions are not available, general Roar Sundseth, second in command at FOHK (Norwegian Army's HQ thingy sort of), finishes

Kirra wrote:^^Dude, read the source you're providing. They are talking about the multipurpose ammunition, not the rifle itself.

AFAIK, the only issue with that ammo is that it kinda explodes upon impact, thus its use vs soft targets is banned. (Although some people say that it only explodes AFTER it has penetrated a human and thus should not be banned)

[R-MOD]KP wrote:We have the HK417 made for the sniper rifle.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... JUUE&hl=en

Zeno wrote:marksman?

stiankir wrote:yes.
Actually the Norwegian field-operative sharpshooters , or "snipers" as we often refer them to, are really marksmen. Directly translated from Norwegian to English, "skarpskytter" is "marksman", which settles the case.
Norwegian marksmen used to use some other rifle (don't remember the name atm), but are now required to use the HK417.

lexmyr wrote:Source?