Project Reality 2142 [Discussion, not a suggestion/demand!]

[Smegburt_funkledink]

Don't forget the invasion of China.

True but what I was on about was physical elements of the game ie. assets and factions. As there is no story-line in PR, politics kinda go out the window.

[sakils2]

Why insurgency? There were a few conflicts in the past where conventional armies met on the battlefield.

[Snazz]

True but what I was on about was physical elements of the game ie. assets and factions. As there is no story-line in PR, politics kinda go out the window.

I thought you meant overall realism.

I agree that having no official story-line allows creative freedom, but I still think the conflicts should make theoretical sense.

Why insurgency?

Without MEC, China and Chechnya in PR all that's left currently is Insurgency.

I personally wouldn't mind that too much but I know a lot of people would.

There were a few conflicts in the past where conventional armies met on the battlefield.

The Chechnyan and Fallujah/Basrah settings are what I'd consider past conflicts, but I don't think the devs would go back much further.

[Smegburt_funkledink]

I meant what I said.

Having battles between China & Brits etc.. is hardly debatable. Where would the conclusion of such a debate get us? The removal of China as a faction and insurgency being almost the only current game mode. That is why there is no strict story line in PR, that is not open for discussion. Politics do not come into this, otherwise we'd be here all week discussing it.

I could reel off a list of 101 things that aren't realistic about PR but I'm not going to as I understand that the majority of those things are there for us to have a game to play.

Back on topic...

Are the game mechanics in 2142 as spammy and arcadey as vBF2? I played the demo for about 20 mins a few years ago but never really got a feel for the game.

[sakils2]

No need to remove Chechens, DEV's should look into their equipment and give them weapons, vehicles they actually used.

[Bellator]

I would like to see, at least a "PR-lite" conversion of 2142, in which the defining gameplay properties of PR are implemented into 2142. You know, stuff like realistic firefights, suppression, realistic weapon arsenal (i.e. ARs for most classes), limited kits, powerful limited explosives, PR wounding effects like bleeding, etc, etc. The overall artistic side could be kept the same, perhaps, (maybe the EU assault rifle could be replaced and the PAC tank could be removed). Stuff like the magic anti-tank balls that hover to their target, ugh, should removed. Vehicle functions could be improved to mimic PR style, etc etc. This would make the game a lot better.

[Smegburt_funkledink]

No need to remove Chechens, DEV's should look into their equipment and give them weapons, vehicles they actually used.

I'm not sure if the Devs have a Chechen military advisor. Why don't you put in an application or put up a suggestion stating what they should be using?

magic anti-tank balls that hover to their target

ergh, do not want...

[Snazz]

Are the game mechanics in 2142 as spammy and arcadey as vBF2?

Well 'spammy' and 'arcadey' are vague definitions. As far as arcade shooters go I find 2142 is more balanced and fun to play than vanilla BF2.

It's faster paced, has an interesting Titan game mode and different sorts of vehicles (hover tanks, mechs, gunships).

[ankyle62]

i loved bf2142, but after playing pr i havent really wanted to play any other fps. i havent even bought mw2 yet.

[Bellator]

As far as arcade shooters go I find 2142 is more balanced and fun to play than vanilla BF2.

The only thing better about it is that it has less nade spam. Otherwise, I don't see any major improvement over bf2 gameplay. On the contrary, the weapons are too weak, the vehicles suck and look absurd (hover tank?), etc.

[Snazz]

I don't see any major improvement over bf2 gameplay.

One example would be the air-ground balance.

There's still rape, but at least it takes more skill to do so with a BF2142 gunship than it does with a BF2 jet. As gunships have unique handling, no HUD boxes showing enemy vehicles and have to attack ground targets directly with rockets.

There's also hand held AA launchers and AA turrets on the walkers.

the weapons are too weak

Yeah, but so are the weapons in BF2.

the vehicles suck and look absurd

Care to elaborate?

[ma21212]

LOL

how can you make a game set in the future realistic??

you haz the pwr!
(they admins of PRT so...they dont really map/code etc)

[ChiefRyza]

2142 was fantastic game, a big step up from BF2 gameplay wise. I think it was more or less a stepping stone towards PR for me. However, I also think 2142 is 'realistic' in a sense in the fact the hud is explainable etc. if you have the imagination. BF2 Is spammy and annoying, 2142 is still spammy, but much more teamplay oriented, believe me. Then of course there is PR. I think 2142 players would find the transition to PR much easier than a vanilla BF2 player, just the style of play that it encourages is a world up from the spastic paced nature of BF2.

[Rudd]

LOL

how can you make a game set in the future realistic??

you can only make it plausible

the modding skill of the R-DEV team could make a very good mod for bf2142 and they'd also be able to play with alot of stuff not avaliable in BF2, e.g. weather.

but the advantages of 2142 are mostly visual rather than gameplay imo.

[goguapsy]

Dang I thought this thred was gonna go locked, but what the hell!

Anyways I'm sure some kind of future PR would be nice. Perhaps if you play on the TG server it can help... but there should be some kool teamwork mods around there eh?

[epoch]

Hover tanks, lazer rifles and energy shields aren't based on any real research

Nor was that statement

There's been ample research in those fields, with some interesting discoveries and successes.

[Heskey]

Cheers for that epoch,

And when people think of 2142 they cite laz0rbeams and pewpews; but they've never actually played it...

It's not Star Wars.. It's just the future; okay there is some crazy stuff like a hover tank, and vehicle-seeking-mines, but for the most part it's all concieveable stuff - Or rather stuff that already exists; missle launchers, ballistic weaponry, tanks on treads...

The enemy-detection HUD is something in 2142 I'd be a fan of seeing regulated.

[gazzthompson]

id rather see the DEV team not spread even more and concentrate on PR and PR2 as i bet they dont really have enough time/guys for that let alone another mini mod. This new "pr lite" or whatever would never be as developed as PR and would only slow PR and PR2s production.

[Heskey]

id rather see the DEV team not spread even more and concentrate on PR and PR2 as i bet they dont really have enough time/guys for that let alone another mini mod.

I'm hoping we can keep this thread as a discussion only without asking or pestering the very busy R-DEVs who already do a fantastic job with PR, to divert any resources to make this.

But, let's just talk about it.

Important! ;o

[gazzthompson]

that'll teach me for not reading the post,post in community modding? might be able to get a small team together to do some basic coding , changes etc