Turn Karbala over to the MEC

Post by **Rudd** » 2010-01-06 20:02

SkaterCrush wrote:
Could this open up a China insurgency map...?

iirc the ADF are working with this in mind, but that is far away.

Post by **DankE_SPB** » 2010-01-06 20:04

Phantom2 wrote:I like the Idea but you'd have to change the name of the MEC to Iraqi Police Force and you'd have to change the guns to AK's due to that's what they normally operate with them.

do this and you lose the whole point of this suggestion, you will get another ak vs ak maps, with old equipment etc.

Iraqi Police Force

I'd also be strange to have US go against the MEC but the MEC also goes against insurgency

iraq is not exclusive country with insurgency and there is no point in creating some kind of "realistic plot" at all

Silly_Savage · Post by **Silly_Savage** » 2010-01-06 20:16

OriginalWarrior wrote:MEc could possibly replace USMC on archer, it could be changed into MEC vs Taliban and represent the Pakistan army fighting the taliban.

It has already been stated that the U.S.M.C. is simply a placeholder until the Canadian Forces can be properly implemented on Archer.

Source

badmojo420 · Post by **badmojo420** » 2010-01-06 20:51

It would be nice to drive over that river with some type of amphibious vehicle after the insurgents blow up the bridges.

New vodnik maybe?

503 · Post by **503** » 2010-01-06 21:45

This is definitely interesting. More variation is always great. Though I don't think the MEC has any light vehicles other than that small engineer truck.

Meza82 · Post by **Meza82** » 2010-01-06 21:50

i disagree with MEC vs. insurgents, or Taliban, on any map. MEC is a coalition of Middle Eastern nations who oppose the West, and is probably led by Iran and is funded/armed in part by Russia; and MEC probably funds/arms the insurgents, too. Saudia Arabia probably wouldnt be part of MEC because it is major US ally. Politcally, MEC vs. insurgents doesnt make sense. It goes against the whole "reality" of Project Reality.

i agree with OP about adding variety to PR Karbala and Ramiel (both great maps). But maybe adding the British or German forces to replace the US Army would be better. Or as mentioned earlier, make it AAS with US Army vs. MEC

TheLean · Post by **TheLean** » 2010-01-06 21:58

Meza82 wrote:i disagree with MEC vs. insurgents, or Taliban, on any map. MEC is a coalition of Middle Eastern nations who oppose the West, and is probably led by Iran and is funded/armed in part by Russia; and MEC probably funds/arms the insurgents, too. Saudia Arabia probably wouldnt be part of MEC because it is major US ally. Politcally, MEC vs. insurgents doesnt make sense. It goes against the whole "reality" of Project Reality.

i agree with OP about adding variety to PR Karbala and Ramiel (both great maps). But maybe adding the British or German forces to replace the US Army would be better. Or as mentioned earlier, make it AAS with US Army vs. MEC

What about the Iraq army battling insurgents in Iraq, is that not reality?

jayceon515 · Post by **jayceon515** » 2010-01-06 22:02

Conventional force with scoped g3's against insurgents with AK's and without body armor?

Wouldn't that mean one shot kills for MEC?

I sure wouldn't wanna play as insurgent

Meza82 · Post by **Meza82** » 2010-01-06 22:12

Meza82 wrote:i disagree with MEC vs. insurgents, or Taliban, on any map. MEC is a coalition of Middle Eastern nations who oppose the West, and is probably led by Iran and is funded/armed in part by Russia; and MEC probably funds/arms the insurgents, too. Saudia Arabia probably wouldnt be part of MEC because it is major US ally. Politcally, MEC vs. insurgents doesnt make sense. It goes against the whole "reality" of Project Reality.

TheLean wrote:What about the Iraq army battling insurgents in Iraq, is that not reality?

good question. the answer is that since Iraq was invaded and basically conquered by the US and Coalition forces it is a new government, a new nation with new politcal structure.

Only after the War in Iraq with Hussein killed does it makes sense for the Iraqi army to fight the insurgents

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2010-01-06 22:15

i disagree with MEC vs. insurgents, or Taliban, on any map. MEC is a coalition of Middle Eastern nations who oppose the West,

So what? Opposition toward the West doesn't mean that everyone in the Middle East and Iraq would love MEC. Absolutely the contrary. The Middle East is a politically fragmented region, to the degree that it is very likely that any such MEC-like organization would have to engage in several anti-insurgency campaigns, which it would probably inherit from its member states, many of whom are already doing anti-insurgency stuff.

Or as mentioned earlier, make it AAS with US Army vs. MEC

That's a bad idea. IMO.

Meza82 · Post by **Meza82** » 2010-01-06 22:30

Bellator wrote:So what? Opposition toward the West doesn't mean that everyone in the Middle East and Iraq would love MEC. Absolutely the contrary. The Middle East is a politically fragmented region, to the degree that it is very likely that any such MEC-like organization would have to engage in several anti-insurgency campaigns, which it would probably inherit from its member states, many of whom are already doing anti-insurgency stuff.

i agree. in my post i said Suadi Arabia would not likely be in the MEC. and that what the MEC is is a Middle East Coalition (MEC) that fights the West. That is why they fight the US, and now British

but imho i disgree that

[/QUOTE]any such MEC-like organization would have to engage in several anti-insurgency campaigns[/QUOTE]

If anything, the MEC would be supporting the insurgents with cash/weapons. kind of like "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of thing.

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2010-01-06 22:36

If anything, the MEC would be supporting the insurgents with cash/weapons. kind of like "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of thing.

Of course it wouldn't support insurgents who are fighting against MEC.

Though I don't think the MEC has any light vehicles other than that small engineer truck.

And that's only for the better. Fighting against insurgents would be different for the MEC.

Meza82 · Post by **Meza82** » 2010-01-06 22:38

wouldnt Iran be leader of the MEC? and during the current Iraq War didnt Iran provide Iraqi insugents with RKG anti-vehicle grenades and EFP (explosively formed penetrators) IEDs and other weapons to fight the Americans with? that makes MEC vs Insurgents unrealistic imho.

Post by **DankE_SPB** » 2010-01-06 22:39

Meza82 wrote: If anything, the MEC would be supporting the insurgents with cash/weapons. kind of like "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of thing.

why you cant think of insurgents, which will fight against mec? US(NATO) is not an exclusive force against whom there might be an uprise

but again, MEC vs Ins brings new breath into gameplay, while all this "its not realistic scenario" just restrains us from new variety and possible maps locations without giving any benefits

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2010-01-06 22:41

wouldnt Iran be leader of the MEC? and during the current Iraq War didnt Iran provide Iraqi insugents with RKG anti-vehicle grenades and EFP (explosively formed penetrators) IEDs and other weapons to fight the Americans with? that makes MEC vs Insurgents unrealistic imho.

Iran isn't MEC. I don't know if Iran is its leader, or just a member.

Iran probably provided for insurgent factions that served the Iranian regime the best. Insurgents in MEC Karbala scenario could be insurgents who never aligned with Tehran or were dissapointed with Iran or MEC to the degree that they decided to resist MEC occupation.

Btw, MECsters don't speak Persian ingame.

Cheditor · Post by **Cheditor** » 2010-01-06 22:56

Well just because iran supplied weapons to them at that time doesn't mean they wont have an uprising. Sides always change, NATO and other countries helped out afghanistan in the russia-afghansitan conflict during their "insurgency" so to speak. And NATO again kinda pushed iraq to attacking iran for our selves. MEC could easily have an insurgency, remember MEC don't essentially have to be a defensive force, they invade area that doesn't agree, uprising on the way.

DeltaFart · Post by **DeltaFart** » 2010-01-06 23:04

I support this the idea has been mulling around alot
I think each faction deserve it's own insurgency map
Maybe PLA vs Mongolian Border Raiders?

Herbiie · Post by **Herbiie** » 2010-01-06 23:16

Meza82 wrote:wouldnt Iran be leader of the MEC? and during the current Iraq War didnt Iran provide Iraqi insugents with RKG anti-vehicle grenades and EFP (explosively formed penetrators) IEDs and other weapons to fight the Americans with? that makes MEC vs Insurgents unrealistic imho.

How about the Insurgents who are fighting for their homeland because they hate Iran?

If Iran took over Iraq they would be having more problems than NATO - the Middle East isn't united against the west, any coalition is going to be made by force, as the Middle East, mostly, Fights the Middle East.

Tbh you're showing a lack of knowledge about the Middle East

DeltaFart · Post by **DeltaFart** » 2010-01-07 00:09

Meza82 wrote:wouldnt Iran be leader of the MEC? and during the current Iraq War didnt Iran provide Iraqi insugents with RKG anti-vehicle grenades and EFP (explosively formed penetrators) IEDs and other weapons to fight the Americans with? that makes MEC vs Insurgents unrealistic imho.

This has been discussed
All the other ME of the C wouldn't stand allying with Iran because of religion

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