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'[md wrote:MadMak[rus];1258587']And why everybody love to build wires around firebase? Who do you expect to come? Zombies? Do not place wires if you don't need them.

Placed properbly they will create "channels" that the enemy inf will have to go through. Makes it much easier to defend.

I don't think people know how strong fobs are in this patch. Me and my friends played as Russia on Silent Eagle built a outpost on church put up 50s covering the north south road along with an at emplacement and aa set the barbed wire so it funneled the enemy to the road and made a great kill zone. we held that village for one hour till our air cover disappeared and we were bombed to oblivion. with that setup we killed two tanks, a chinook, and about five squads worth of inf for only three guys who were revived by our medic.

[quote=""'[md"]MadMak[rus];1258587']And why everybody love to build wires around firebase? Who do you expect to come? Zombies? Do not place wires if you don't need them.[/quote]

I know right? Why is there almost always a FOB up on a hill, with wires around it. Its just a dead giveaway. Place the wires to block off alleyways or roads. IMO sucessful FOB's are ones that remain unseen by the enemy, unless of course placed near an uncap for additional defensive purposes. (Like putting up AA in the castle fortress on Muttrah)

[quote="Sgt. Mahi""]Placed properbly they will create "channels" that the enemy inf will have to go through. Makes it much easier to defend.[/quote]

Unfortunately, they are almost never placed in a way thats gonna help at all. It usually just a rough circle in the middle of nowhere.

I don't mean to be harsh or anything, I just see this all to often. "Heyyy lets make a FOB, Okay you guys build the FOB while I run around spamming wire in all directions, completely ignoring the idea to place MG nests or AA positions. Now that a few lengths of wire are here, lets walk away, and lets forget about the FOB untill it gets overrun in 10 min."

I dont mind because I know it helps the team, but other people get attracted to "shiny things" and they cant be asked to build because they have to find this shiny object. Pretty much most people who cant build dont have the attention span to do it and they have to either be shooting at something or driving something, or blowing up something. Same goes for squad leaders who don't follow orders.

i say, especially on forest maps:

FOB and a nicely defendable hardpoint around 150m away that is a "little" bit of a giveaway.

I dont hate building FBs but I hate building 100 wire blocks without any sense in it.

Some SL for some reason think they have to place wire.... even when FB is under attack or other more important things should be done we need to build more and more wire.

I still build it if the SL insists but most of the time it is completly waste of time. :/

Teek wrote:yea, like you or even half the players have ever built more than one fire base in a round

Have you started to stalk me in these forums because I disagreed with what you said about the RP

Regan wrote:Have you started to stalk me in these forums because I disagreed with what you said about the RP

Both of you drop this petty back-and-forth stuff now, or the moderators will come do their thing.

HunterMed wrote:I dont hate building FBs but I hate building 100 wire blocks without any sense in it.

Some SL for some reason think they have to place wire.... even when FB is under attack or other more important things should be done we need to build more and more wire.

I still build it if the SL insists but most of the time it is completly waste of time. :/

The only good thing about a firebase is the TOW, everything else causes the location to be revealed due to the massive amounts of wire cutting into the statics and towering out of the ground.

I have a rule in my squads, if you have a shovel, you build. If you don't build and you do have one, you're kicked from the squad instantly. I hate selfish people who think they are too good to help out.

FBs are just so important with 0.9 and this or that way people will give its desired respect eventually.

Personally I'd like to have a Logi/Trans squad. I can make it through all round if I have a team members who dedicated themselves in the same way too.

[quote=""'[md"]MadMak[rus];1258587']And why everybody love to build wires around firebase? Who do you expect to come? Zombies? Do not place wires if you don't need them.[/quote]

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Never seen those wires did any good to me. I remember one time a complete idiot just trap 2 squads in the base by deploying those annoying things infront of the only exit! Oh how much I did want to kill that monkey on those wires when we found out why we can't find an exit.

[quote="dtacs""]The only good thing about a firebase is the TOW, everything else causes the location to be revealed due to the massive amounts of wire cutting into the statics and towering out of the ground.[/quote]

Stationary Machine Gun is not that much useless on the other hand. I even once killed an APC with one of them in Kashan. Though they should be build in a right place on the right map. For example in the new Yamalia map that gun will only be a coffin against snipers, marksmans or RPGs.

I've seen wire placed logically in urban areas to block vehicles access to key areas where squads were defending. It does help to keep light vehicles like technicals from just running up to the FoB and having one guy jump out and knife it. As more folks learn how to play this new version we will see squad leaders learn to know when to hide and when to be obvious.

I had someone tell me that a team had completely blocked off the southern half of muttrah by placing wire in the roadways. They left a key entrance open but had it overwatched by deployed tows and lat kits. Sounded like fun to me.

alberto_di_gio wrote:
Stationary Machine Gun is not that much useless on the other hand. I even once killed an APC with one of them in Kashan. Though they should be build in a right place on the right map. For example in the new Yamalia map that gun will only be a coffin against snipers, marksmans or RPGs.

that isn't quite right. on yamalia you can put them such that they cannot be engaged long-range. if you then have a nice small clearing in front of it where enemies tend to come from => slaughter

The main problem is that people don't use firebases offensivly. I played on RT yesterday as a SL on the American paradrop vs russian map. And we had a firebase west of the lake objective on top of a hill, and we set up AA, TOW, MG nest and Foxholes and dominated that entire area from the firebase. No enemy could move through the middle area of the map or westward, we had obeservation on the two main roads. We destroyed like 2-4 tanks, 3-5 AFV and severeal squads from that location. So even thoe we had our firebase completly agaisnt your opinouns, aka hidden, was extremly effective.

We eventually lost becouse everybody wanted to spawn at the firebase and all our transportaion assets were down becouse of a fine counter blitz by the russians in mid game. Also, how can you guys play PR serisouly on a none-mumble only server? How would you quiklöy communicate with the chopper pilot, without squad leader cahnnel how can you quikly communicate wiht squad leaders, how can you quikly cooperate with another squad in an attack? Beyond me how people play this without mumble...

General_J0k3r wrote:that isn't quite right. on yamalia you can put them such that they cannot be engaged long-range. if you then have a nice small clearing in front of it where enemies tend to come from => slaughter

well... actually I think that would be very best for city maps actually but if you say Yamalia have have such areas then it is. I played it only 3 times and pleasure of being killed by an rpg from 300 m. took me away

still I love the map

dhl1986 wrote:I hear Modern Warfare 2 is nice this time of year... It is simple. Adapt, or find a new game.

.9 is an all-around improvement.

Ummm, last time I checked, this game is still an FPS and not an RTS, so don't just say "adapt" to every little thing because its really getting annoying now. Why didn't you just "adapt" to the M4 auto machinegun in 0.5?


The problem with FOBs is that they go down wayyyy to easy and it completely depends on the map if they will go down easy or not. On an open map like Archer where everyone knows where all the FOBs are, they are easy to take out. Gaza is so small that all the spots to put FOBs are pretty much known now. Beirut's a big open city and I've spotted FOBs far away and there aren't many hiding spots on that map either. On the big maps like Yamalia, it works fine (even though it comes at a price), but on some maps (Lashkar for instance), you could spend 5 minutes building, but if you come back 10 minutes later, the FOB will be down, even if it was in a good spot. Unless a helo is on the map, trucks are easy to follow and once the enemy tracks them, FOBs go down quickly, especially when trying to build them.


And as before in 0.85, people still leave Logistic trucks behind, so you can't exactly expect to fix the human factor. If the map doesn't have helos on it or decent helo pilots and your team has limited supply trucks and its a huge map, you are screwed essentially. All the enemy has to do is block your main and no trucks will be able to get out.

mosinmatt wrote:Every goat with an IED will be gunning for it.

LMAO I liked this one

hiberNative wrote:it's more that people don't like defending, imo.

That's odd because with the new spawn system one doesn't have to wait long for a FOB or Defend marker to be attacked....at all. On Silent Eagle we built a FOB and 5 min later had taken out a tank, aa vehicle, and were in the middle of a battle with two squads coming in on us. All my squad members though it was epic. Especially after I called in close air support and the A-10 started strafing the infantry.

Yesterday i was SLing on Yamalia on RT Mumble, i went down to the SW of map somewhere and set up a FB in a good location, at first my squadmates were helping, after a minute more guys came with the chiooks, i was just ordering over mumble to everybody what to build and these assets were going up like mushrooms after rain...

mumble helps a lot, then we defended for quite a good portion of a time while others were taking on a very fortified RU FB, in the end we got obliterated by arty, but my squad was the only one left there.

'Sirex[SWE wrote:[MoW];1260347'] Also, how can you guys play PR serisouly on a none-mumble only server? How would you quiklöy communicate with the chopper pilot, without squad leader cahnnel how can you quikly communicate wiht squad leaders, how can you quikly cooperate with another squad in an attack? Beyond me how people play this without mumble...

It's simple ..... you type, amazing ehh. It doesn't take very long to communicate this way and your whole team can see it, that is if you are an SL that bothers to read the chat... if not then you shouldn't be leading a squad. I personally play a lot with an ex DEV who doesn't ever use a mic and we have no problems at all and i promise you he is a far better player than most who rely on mumble.

Which leads me to a question i've been thinking about for a while. I appreciate that mumble is a very useful tool but how realistic is it to have instant comms with someone near you especially if they're in a vehicle. Now correct me if i'm wrong but in real life wouldn't you have to call them up on a radio at least which would i think take a lot longer than just shouting "oy apc over there kill them?"And surely when getting into a helo you let the pilot know before you move where exactly you want to go and in which direction your route should start.

Finally to stay on topic somewhat. If you are leading a squad then a log/trans truck is your friend. You should look after them carefully for when you need them next. Most of the time the first thing i do after deploying a fob is to send the medic back to rearm the crates, then when you have secured your advance you can bring the truck with you and build again ad infinitum. Also if you are unlucky enough to get ambushed building then your medic can wait a few mins, roll in with the truck and get everyone back up........ simple huh?

No, pressing a button and talking and that people around you hear you is simple. Typing while in battle is not.