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The general rule of thumb is to shoot them regardless. Why? They're on the opposing team. You know they're part of the opposition and therefore a threat to winning the game so blow them away.

For those who do not know what I'm talking about, Trijicon, the maker of the ACOG, has recently been caught making the ACOGs for the US military with bible verses inscribed on them.

The manner in which you phrase this is misleading. Procurement found that Trijicon's serial numbers contained references to specific Bible verses.

Solid Knight wrote:The general rule of thumb is to shoot them regardless. Why? They're on the opposing team. You know they're part of the opposition and therefore a threat to winning the game so blow them away.



The manner in which you phrase this is misleading. Procurement found that Trijicon's serial numbers contained references to specific Bible verses.

Actually, thank you for correcting me on this. But it's not the actually serial number that has them inscribed. It's the model number for the type of scope. Here's a link that tells the story and has a video story.

No More Jesus Rifles - ABC News

Unarmed kits having an ROE for all factions should work in theory providing the penalties/rewards are a significant amount of tickets.

Generally it won't have much of an impact because players tend not to keep their unarmed kit long enough for the ROE to apply, but will add another element to game play in the cases where they do (eg. downed pilots).

Solid Knight wrote:The general rule of thumb is to shoot them regardless. Why? They're on the opposing team. You know they're part of the opposition and therefore a threat to winning the game so blow them away.

That completely defeats the entire point of having civilians and an ROE. Whilst penalizing yourself and your team.

Snazz wrote: That completely defeats the entire point of having civilians and an ROE. Whilst penalizing yourself and your team.

Not nesscarily, unarmed combatants give away valuable intel, so there are two choices

> beat the unarmed combatant at its own game and arrest him

> or shoot him and take the penality if you think the intel he leaks is worth it and therisk that he poses is too great

darkside12 wrote: By the way, I was in Turkey a few months ago. There were some serious anti-US riots while I was there. Almost got attacked by a mob while trying to eat a gyro with a couple of my buddies if there hadn't been any police officers there to stop them.

and how is that related with the subject?


Plus: I'm not trying to give anyone a lesson. Just saying that "Surrendering" option is something not planned so well right now. I think its just added like a beta version just to see how and where it is going. So really I don't care if anyone shoots any surrenders. I'm pretty sure I will not surrender in any case because it is just meaningless right now.

glowjack177 wrote:Not nesscarily, unarmed combatants give away valuable intel, so there are two choices

> beat the unarmed combatant at its own game and arrest him

> or shoot him and take the penality if you think the intel he leaks is worth it and therisk that he poses is too great

I'm sorry to say, but you loose 10 intelligence points when you shoot an unarmed civilian. This means that for every time you shoot a civi, you sabotage ten armed insurgent kills by your team.

This is why civis can be such game changers. When the bluefor ROE is loose, civis can stop the bluefor from advancing at all.

The problem is the game is trying to simulate something that isn't actually going on. Everyone who is playing the game knows who is on what side. There is no neutral party. So when you come across a "civilian" you know he is in cooperation with the enemy which gives you every incentive to blow him away. The stiff penalties are supposed to curtail this which is why in the past people used to use tricks to killing the civilians without getting the penalty.

Realistically, these guys are just insurgents who decided to bring their fists to a gun fight.

PR is a compromise in everything it is. Having collaborators and a ROE definably has it realistic sides, as well as a few unrealistic.

In general I walk the POW to the nearest alley or tree and execute them

As far as I know medics are also considered unarmed combatants and according to the geneva statute they might have weapons for defensive use (some countries prohibit the use of firearms for medics alltogether) and not be shot at or open fire unless fired upon.

I know this because I am a medic in the swedish guard and we had to read a 400 page book about rules of engagement.

By the way I also wonder if its possible to make civilians controlled by the AI among the two combatant sides?

Read thread on ( mostly has already been discussed )

What to do with surrendered players
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr-general-discussion/76129-what-do-surrendered-players-l.html

I have a question, I was playing on fallujah west insurgency mode and i was killed as an unarmed civilian, i got the message "I was killed for helping the insurgents".. does this mean they did not get penalized.. lastly the person who shot me I did not see anyone lose points as in the previous version or was I at fault for driving a car?

I cant copy the text but check out page 22 in the manual.

People need to wake up and start doing some RP - RolePlay.

Jonathan_Archer_nx01 wrote:People need to wake up and start doing some RP - RolePlay.

It doesn't help you win the game in AAS, u just waste valuable time that u could have spent helping your team win. I don't load PR to sit on my desk chair and role play as a POW. If I wanted to role-play, I'd buy WoW. Please, by all means go ahead and RP...I on the other hand will not hesitate to shoot u and reduce ur teams ticket count by one.

Kasp

KasperX wrote:It doesn't help you win the game in AAS, u just waste valuable time that u could have spent helping your team win. I don't load PR to sit on my desk chair and role play as a POW. If I wanted to role-play, I'd buy WoW. Please, by all means go ahead and RP...I on the other hand will not hesitate to shoot u and reduce ur teams ticket count by one.

Kasp

Hey, who says PR isn't roleplaying? Video games are roleplaying, we're pretending to be freedom fighters, terrorists, and agents of corperate interests. This is an arguement about the extent/focus of the roleplaying, winning is a product of the roleplaying; not the focus.

daones wrote:I have a question, I was playing on fallujah west insurgency mode and i was killed as an unarmed civilian, i got the message "I was killed for helping the insurgents".. does this mean they did not get penalized.. lastly the person who shot me I did not see anyone lose points as in the previous version or was I at fault for driving a car?

I'm curious about this as well..

sparks50 wrote:I'm sorry to say, but you loose 10 intelligence points when you shoot an unarmed civilian. This means that for every time you shoot a civi, you sabotage ten armed insurgent kills by your team.

This is why civis can be such game changers. When the bluefor ROE is loose, civis can stop the bluefor from advancing at all.

No i understand the penality, but in sitiuations like when a squad's sneaking up on a cache to destroy it or when both caches are revealed there are always expections. Since if no one attempts to shoot civis then civis would gain an advantage in their ability to make BLUFOR react.

[R-DEV]dbzao wrote:We didn't add any rules for unarmed combatants on any faction besides the Iraqi Insurgents that have civilian collaborator rules attached.

We might add some ROE for unarmed combatants of all factions, but needs some thought.

How about you give a penalty for shooting unarmed combatants, and if you pick up a weapon kit after you give up you die instantly with a huge time penalty?

An unarmed combatant can then be free to walk back to his base with anti-death protection?

Maybe arresting unarmed combatants can have a neutral benefit for sides? i.e. if you give up you get removed from play, the "shooter" doesn't get a penalty and the person giving up doesn't get a death?