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badmojo420 wrote: A sniper should not be off on his own.

And I disagree for that. A sniper IS a loner. As a nature of it presence he must stay disguised and far away from eyes. His weapon is totally useless in close combat. Even if a sniper is in a crowded squad he must move apart them. He have to has his own agenda (of course given by commander or his squad leader)

NO! A sniper should operate in a 2 man squad. A spotter to protect him and spot for him and use tha radio to report inteligence is essential. A lone sniper results in dead guy and a lost sniper kit.

Expatriate Gamer wrote:Being a Spotter FOR a Sniper is Boring.

No its not, you are lazing for the jets, reporting inteligence, marking targets, and now when you have the drop kit you can work in shifts. You shouldnt engage everyone even when you are a sniper. I can see that you are one of those "shoot everyone you see" snipers. Because of people like you, everyone hates snipers and everyone thinks that they are all a bunch of 12year old lonewolfes.

alberto_di_gio wrote:And I disagree for that. A sniper IS a loner. As a nature of it presence he must stay disguised and far away from eyes. His weapon is totally useless in close combat. Even if a sniper is in a crowded squad he must move apart them. He have to has his own agenda (of course given by commander or his squad leader)

Totally agree with this one.

-.-Maverick-.- wrote:NO! A sniper should operate in a 2 man squad. A spotter to protect him and spot for him and use tha radio to report inteligence is essential. A lone sniper results in dead guy and a lost sniper kit.

No its not, you are lazing for the jets, reporting inteligence, marking targets, and now when you have the drop kit you can work in shifts. You shouldnt engage everyone even when you are a sniper. I can see that you are one of those "shoot everyone you see" snipers. Because of people like you, everyone hates snipers and everyone thinks that they are all a bunch of 12year old lonewolfes.

Aaaaaand totally disagree with this one.

I have only seen one super decent sniper in PR, and he never operated with someone else. I tend to find that when trying to stay low and quiet that the last thing you want is someone else right next to you, as it presents a bigger target. The problem here is that the mentality of 'all snipers operate in 2 man teams IRL, so it has to be that in PR' has remained since the kit was introduced. This is not the case as the funamental rule of PR stays in place:

• The more people trying to covertly complete an objective, the lower the chance of success.

This applies to sniping as well, as two targets sitting in the hills on Kashan have a double chance of being seen. The snipers best weapon is not being seen.

dtacs wrote:Totally agree with this one.


Aaaaaand totally disagree with this one.

I have only seen one super decent sniper in PR, and he never operated with someone else. I tend to find that when trying to stay low and quiet that the last thing you want is someone else right next to you, as it presents a bigger target. The problem here is that the mentality of 'all snipers operate in 2 man teams IRL, so it has to be that in PR' has remained since the kit was introduced. This is not the case as the funamental rule of PR stays in place:

• The more people trying to covertly complete an objective, the lower the chance of success.

This applies to sniping as well, as two targets sitting in the hills on Kashan have a double chance of being seen. The snipers best weapon is not being seen.

You should never sit on a hill on kashan, you will die everytime. The hill doesnt render at 300+ meters or so, so any tanks will see you flying in the air it will matter very little if you have a spotter or not. If you do not have a spotter to protect you, you will die. Either by getting knifed from behind, or by getting pwned in CQB.

dtacs wrote:The more people trying to covertly complete an objective, the lower the chance of success.

This is just dumb. It is true for 6 man squads but not for a 2 man sniper squad a lone sniper trying to complete an objective will fail in 99% of the cases. He has no Radio to spot and call for trans, support, cas... He has no protection in CQB and he is alone!!

Also PRs main goal is TEAMWORK, and I fail to see how a lone sniper has anything to do with it.

@ Maverick sometimes it is better to be alone. It really depends what kind of sniping you are doing. If you are out for kills, spotter works as he can help find targets etc. But if you are purely doing hidey hidey findey findey, 1 person does fine you can just sit in a nice place you just have to worry about yourself, you can also rely on sound, if you hear footsteps etc you know its enemy 100% also less chance of spotter being in a bad position getting seen and there fore you are seen.

-.-Maverick-.- wrote:You should never sit on a hill on kashan, you will die everytime. The hill doesnt render at 300+ meters or so, so any tanks will see you flying in the air it will matter very little if you have a spotter or not. If you do not have a spotter to protect you, you will die. Either by getting knifed from behind, or by getting pwned in CQB.

I lasted a whole round sitting up there. Either the tanks were stupid, or I wasn't.

Should a spotter have to constantly look behind to make sure 'I don't get knifed'? Who on earth would want to be tasked with that? Think realistically here.

This is just dumb. It is true for 6 man squads but not for a 2 man sniper squad a lone sniper trying to complete an objective will fail in 99% of the cases. He has no Radio to spot and call for trans, support, cas... He has no protection in CQB and he is alone!!

You speak as if an objective is capping a flag or destroying a vehicle, however this isn't the case. It can be as simple as getting into position, which, with more numbers, has a higher chance of failure, does it not?

Also, if you need a radio to call for trans then you're definitely doing something wrong or the pilots are idiots who can't mark a map

Also PRs main goal is TEAMWORK, and I fail to see how a lone sniper has anything to do with it.

There is teamwork, then there is your definition of teamwork which seems to be the more people the more 'teamworky' it is; which is once again incorrect. Teamwork means spotting, if there is a single sniper providing intel, is that not teamwork? Does he have to have a rifleman or whatever kit sitting next to him to ensure it is your teamwork?

You supose to use the radio for spoting right?

but if you like to get a ''radio'' you just need to stay has SL of a Sniper team, so you Press V and talk to commander how will spot and cordinate the atacks

but for real the atual voip sistem sucks, because there is not way of squad talking direct whicht other squads. what truly incresse commanders autority, but alsos make dificult to allow squads to work toguether. has Infantry and APC, and Infantry batalions. or evem Tank coluns of individual squad for better voip unpolution

GIVE sniper RADIO ( BUT ... Snipers call out icons are Green or Blue to indicate Intel ) oppose to RED from squad leaders..

This way it will be known from the team if the call out came from a squad or a sniper .... and this can also confirm Misssed call outs such as when you place a marker the vehicle moves far distance out of range of the squad leader to see the path of the vehicle of sorts -_-
... to find out where he is heading?

badmojo420 wrote:I disagree.

A sniper should not be off on his own. Besides the obvious advantages of working with other people, the sniper kit is valuable and should not be running the risk of giving it to the enemy. Giving him a radio would further encourage lone-wolfing as a sniper.

I disagree, sniper should be on his own (with spotter only), give the team intel and eliminate officers and medics. The marksman kit is for working in squad but not sniper.

sniper is a kit and i dont see how anybody has the right to say how its supposed to be used. YOUR method might work somtimes and not others. or be worse in somebody elses eyes. if ppl are complaining that the sniper is useless why make it worse? as for a spotter i would like a marksman or another sniper. i find that if i see 2 ppl standing still i'd like to kill both in 1 strike. or 2x the chance to kill 1 target.

Give the sniper a radio and remove the rifle.. call it the recon kit.

Get rid of sniping = get rid of 80 % of immature and troublesome players.


(disclaimer: this is my assumption and suggestion, you have the usual right to disagree with it)

Cheditor wrote:@ Maverick sometimes it is better to be alone. It really depends what kind of sniping you are doing. If you are out for kills, spotter works as he can help find targets etc. But if you are purely doing hidey hidey findey findey, 1 person does fine you can just sit in a nice place you just have to worry about yourself, you can also rely on sound, if you hear footsteps etc you know its enemy 100% also less chance of spotter being in a bad position getting seen and there fore you are seen.

Ye I agree, but for that role an officer kit will do just fine.

the sniper kit is atm useless you might as well use a marksman kit and an officer kit i'm sure they can shoot the same ranges in game DM rifle and sniper rifle that is.
although this take away from infantry long range abilities its not foten used, a sniper should be given extra range and more spec abilities(eg. radio, rally point abilites and better GLTD*lase travels faster or something*)

alberto_di_gio wrote:And I disagree for that. A sniper IS a loner. As a nature of it presence he must stay disguised and far away from eyes. His weapon is totally useless in close combat. Even if a sniper is in a crowded squad he must move apart them. He have to has his own agenda (of course given by commander or his squad leader)

dtacs wrote:Totally agree with this one.


Aaaaaand totally disagree with this one.

I have only seen one super decent sniper in PR, and he never operated with someone else. I tend to find that when trying to stay low and quiet that the last thing you want is someone else right next to you, as it presents a bigger target. The problem here is that the mentality of 'all snipers operate in 2 man teams IRL, so it has to be that in PR' has remained since the kit was introduced. This is not the case as the funamental rule of PR stays in place:

• The more people trying to covertly complete an objective, the lower the chance of success.

This applies to sniping as well, as two targets sitting in the hills on Kashan have a double chance of being seen. The snipers best weapon is not being seen.

So why do you guys automatically assume the spotter has to be RIGHT there beside you? Giving away your super duper stealthyness. The name spotter is just a title, he doesn't even have to spot anything. He could stay behind cover the whole time, listening to the sniper and relaying information. Exposing himself only when it's time to lase a target or not even then, since the sniper also has a GLTD.

I know it's hard to believe there are good spotters who know how to do the job, most of the time sniper/spotter teams end up doing target practice, but it happens more than you know.

mati140 wrote:I disagree, sniper should be on his own (with spotter only), give the team intel and eliminate officers and medics. The marksman kit is for working in squad but not sniper.

killonsight95 wrote:the sniper kit is atm useless you might as well use a marksman kit and an officer kit i'm sure they can shoot the same ranges in game DM rifle and sniper rifle that is.
although this take away from infantry long range abilities its not foten used, a sniper should be given extra range and more spec abilities(eg. radio, rally point abilites and better GLTD*lase travels faster or something*)

Although the marksman kit is great, it is not a sniper rifle and there are times where a 6 man sniper squad is useful. Or should i say, having a sniper in your squad is useful. Mainly in recon or defensive squads.


And i'll quote what CodeRedFox said in another suggestion about spotter kit, since it applies here too...

CodeRedFox wrote:Point Redamare is trying to make it that any kit can be used as a spotters kit. In fact as it stands now having a officer and a sniper is like having a spotter.

The likely hood that we will create a spotter is quite low as its a waste of a player on the battlefield. Although we are re looking at the sniper class to see what we can do to make it more efficient and more of a teamplayer instead of a loneworlf class.

I recently played as the sniper and I had a officer with me. Worked out exactly how a spotter would

ReapersWarrior wrote:I lol'ed.

Anyway. were not in WWII so radios dont weigh 45 pounds and require cranking.
A radio would be good because then they could mark targets on the map which i find more important in 0.9. I tend to use them more and pay attention ones on the map.

Radio is a good idea because without a commander the squadleader cant really mark anything otherwise.

we're not talking about small plastic FRS radios, we're talking a (approx) 12x5x16" metal box fully water proofed and armored enough to be dropped from the 2nd floor, a 3 or 6 foot antenna, 2 batteries the size of a box of microwavable popcorn (sry that's the only thing i can think of atm relatively similar in size), and possibly additional encryption hardware which is likely to be another 12x5x16" box

Every time these kind of thread appear in the suggestion forum I wright the same thing..

guys! I dont think snipers operate on their own? The worst thing you can do when sniping is being alone.
A good sniper team is on 3 man.

Squad leader (green bino's, radio, weapon with scope for ranged combat, ability to put down rally)
Sniper ( Sniper rifle )
Specialist ( Rope, tripflares, Red-dot sight for Close combat )

Specialist and Squad leader spots and marks and sniper kills. Easy, I do we need a spotter kit? or a radio on the Sniper kit?

getting a radio on the sniper kit will just encourage lonewolfing and I think due to how far PR has come atm.. It shouldnt even be taken in consideration.

P2kk if you are using a sniper kit in that situation stop wasting the kit and take a marksman instead. You would basicly be a walking billboard.

Expatriate Gamer wrote:Being a Spotter FOR a Sniper is Boring.

not at all. i'd say it's more fun than being a commander, which i also like being (cause i can do other stuff at the same time).

i've been wanting to be a spotter in 0.9, maybe i'll try that today, if i'll be able to find a decent sniper.

P2KK wrote:A good sniper team is on 3 man.

maybe in a perfect world, but that sounds like a resource hog when your team only has 32 players. the least thing we need is more specialized units and less people pounding ground. feels like over 1/3 of the team is in vehicles as it is.

i ´m for it. A radio would be a perfect match for the sniper role.

I used sniper in both ways, with a spotter and also alone. It depends on whats going on on the map and what map it is.

I also agree with the 3 man sniper sq. But not ingame. Its a game and not RL.

And i agree with that what many guys say here:

We have 32 ppl per side. You guys really want 3 man sniper sq, 3 man in 1 tank and so on?

1 Question who defends and attacks the flags?

So i like a lone wolf sniper that gives me intel more then a sniper team up anywhere but not in flag range...

It would make sense. Recon is a big part of being a sniper, depending on the unit he operates in, sometimes its his only goal and he sure aint gonna use smoke signals. However I guess he would have something smaller, more expensive than an field communicator, some kind of headset maybe, so that would have to be modelled.