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Hunt3r wrote:If I haven't gone completely batty, something like the Mk44 can cleanly punch through thick reinforced concrete walls.

[R-DEV]Eddie Baker wrote:Mk-44? The cannon on the Apache is the M230; it fires 30 x 113mm. The Mk-44 Bushmaster II fires 30 x 173mm, the same as the GAU-8 Avenger on the A-10. Yes, that round can punch through reinforced concrete, but it isn't on the Apache.

'[R-COM wrote:BloodBane611;1306361']A 25mm HEI round will penetrate through walls, but it's not going to damage an individual inside a building just by fragmenting against the ground on the other side of the wall.

A really terribly drawn example:


Just giving HEI rounds splash damage, both of the above terribly drawn stick figures would be dead. I would love to see directional splash damage of some sort, but HEI does not kill people through walls unless it actually hits on or near those walls. The round must actually expend its energy against the wall, it's not some sort of circle-of-death-through-walls.

USMCMIDN wrote:best drawing ever

BobTheSilensious wrote:Sorry to revive this 15 day old thread (ok not that old), but I got something interesting.

Here, I made a table to show the actual damages cause by a LAV and a BTR in PR. I made this to clear a bit the difference between BTR-60 and LAV-25 and how they can withstand each others.

I rounded most of the values, so it doesn't take exactly the same amount of bullets and times to take out an APC, most because of the "critical state" that eat up Hitpoints each seconds when the APC lose 90% of his HP...

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25mm HEI vs BTR-60
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Rate of fire : 200 rpm
Body | Dam. 3%/shot | Will kill with 34 shots within 10 sec.
Glass parts | Dam 10%/shot | Will kill with 10 shots within 3 sec.
Thin metal plate | Dam 10%/shot | Will kill with 10 shots within 3 sec.
Wood parts | Dam 10%/shot | Will kill with 10 shots within 3 sec.
Tires | Dam 7.5%/shot | Will kill with 14 shots within 4 sec.
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25mm AP vs BTR-60
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Rate of fire : 200 rpm
Body | Dam. 2.17%/shot | Will kill with 47 shots within 14 sec.
Glass parts | Dam 10.8%/shot | Will kill with 10 shots within 3 sec.
Thin metal plate | Dam 10.8%/shot | Will kill with 10 shots within 3 sec.
Wood parts | Dam 10.8%/shot | Will kill with 10 shots within 3 sec.
Tires | Dam 8.13%/shot | Will kill with 13 shots within 4 sec.
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14.5mm vs LAV-25
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Rate of fire : 550 rpm
Body | Dam. 1.72%/shot | Will kill with 59 shots within 7 sec.
Glass parts | Useless (no damages at all)
Thin metal plate | Useless
Tires | Useless

I don't think the KPVT users need to be nerfed, just maybe lesser the effect of 14.5mm against LAV for balance sake. Other then that, the fire rate of both should stay at it is, so we still keep some asymmetry to make things better.

Source: Of course, me

-Bob

Hunt3r wrote: Currently, IFVs pretty much require an ATGM to take out enemy IFVs without getting in serious risk of a quick death if the other side uses Russian equipment. IRL, I'm pretty sure that it makes infinitely more sense to engage enemy APCs with autocannon, and save the ATGMs for the tanks.

'[R-DEV wrote:Jaymz;1444723']Material error regarding 25-30mm AP rounds vs BTR-60 Armour, was doing less than half the damage it does to a BTR-80 oops?

fixed for next version

Hunt3r wrote:Hopefully the AAV will be able to kill the BTRs and MT-LBs with about 15-20 rounds of M19, or else this could end poorly for the USMC in Muttrah...

Hunt3r wrote: As long as it only takes 20 rounds for a 25mm autocannon to destroy APCs from all angles, and IFVs from the sides and rear if better armored, I'm a happy man.

[R-DEV]Jaymz wrote:11-12 direct hits for an MT-LB or BTR-60.

Doesn't change the fact that you'll want to use the 50cal on those targets. The Mk19 has spread and doesn't do damage to armour without direct hits, as is the nature of HEDP rounds. BTR-60 is very vulnerable to 50cal fire and the MT-LB series is no more protected from direct hits than a HMMWV.

PLODDITHANLEY wrote:It all depends on how the AAV3 with Mk19 pans out in the hands of the unwashed masses. Surprising that a BTR-60 and MT-LB are so affected by .50 fire.

Hunt3r wrote:Would be interesting if Mouse1 fired the Mk19, and Mouse2 would fire the M2, and switching to weapon slot 2 gave you the M2 and smoke grenade launch.