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Also in military terms a soldier is never given the "back seat" if they are in a combat zone. Your a rifleman first as they say.

read apache or apache dawn, along with a 9mm, they also have SA80 carbines in the cockpit

Cheditor wrote:Also in military terms a soldier is never given the "back seat" if they are in a combat zone. Your a rifleman first as they say.

So your saying a medics whose role is to treat the wounded and keep check on casualties is to fight at the same time? cant happen, like i said the only time they ever fire or are ever in combat is when theyre in a real sticky situation.

Animal.Mother wrote:read apache or apache dawn, along with a 9mm, they also have SA80 carbines in the cockpit

They keep alot of SA80's behind so if a weapon is broken or is in the service the combatant can replace it with another one in case of emergency, imagine what would happen if medics, tank crewman and other roles similar were given the weapons in the cockpit, if they break they gotta be serviced, if there isnt enough there...well...were screwed basically.

L22's are used rarely but that is why they are given to roles like the medic or tank crewman because they arent 'infantry' trained, theyre trained to specialise in their roles, the same way the sniper is to his rifle. 'Most' Medics are given the L22 so that the L85A2 can be used for the infantry or other roles where they will be using the weapon more often.

Also that pic of the Corporal is in camp, when i had my picture taken with the section during the first weeks of training i had a bayonet and an acog scope fitted...we dont get an acog scope till we passed the ranges and the bayonet you dont get unless your an infanteer.

Heres some info from gunpedia about the L22 - 'A rarely used variation, issued to tank and armoured vehicle crews for emergency action out of vehicle. Due to shortened barrel,it is less accurate, especially at long ranges. Since the barrel is short, these guns are usually outfitted with a vertical front grip.'

Shots_Sniper

Shots1721 wrote:They keep alot of SA80's behind so if a weapon is broken or is in the service the combatant can replace it with another one in case of emergency, imagine what would happen if medics, tank crewman and other roles similar were given the weapons in the cockpit, if they break they gotta be serviced, if there isnt enough there...well...were screwed basically.

L22's are used rarely but that is why they are given to roles like the medic or tank crewman because they arent 'infantry' trained, theyre trained to specialise in their roles, the same way the sniper is to his rifle. 'Most' Medics are given the L22 so that the L85A2 can be used for the infantry or other roles where they will be using the weapon more often.

Also that pic of the Corporal is in camp, when i had my picture taken with the section during the first weeks of training i had a bayonet and an acog scope fitted...we dont get an acog scope till we passed the ranges and the bayonet you dont get unless your an infanteer.

Heres some info from gunpedia about the L22 - 'A rarely used variation, issued to tank and armoured vehicle crews for emergency action out of vehicle. Due to shortened barrel,it is less accurate, especially at long ranges. Since the barrel is short, these guns are usually outfitted with a vertical front grip.'

Shots_Sniper

Still, intill you source that medics use l22 people wont believe you. As your own "info" says its issued to tank crews, it makes no mention to medics.

[R-DEV]Gaz *blows on horn* come correct this man!!!

L22's are used rarely but that is why they are given to roles like the medic or tank crewman because they arent 'infantry' trained, theyre trained to specialise in their roles, the same way the sniper is to his rifle. 'Most' Medics are given the L22 so that the L85A2 can be used for the infantry or other roles where they will be using the weapon more often.

Ok I'm getting a little irked, it was my understanding that medics are combat trained, are you sure you arent' confusing nursing and medical officers with combat medics?

Ignore.

I support giving medics scopes. Hell I support giving all kits scoped varients unless there is a damm good reason why they shouldn't have it.

I can understand the argument saying that giving a medic a scope is overpowered but given that squads need 4 people in now its not like medics are all over the place like they used to be.

Many people are lothe to take the medic kit because they just end up sitting there doing sweet f*all. Look at maps like Yamalia, Kashan or Quinling where many engaments are at long range. With a scope the medic can become combat effetive with the rest of the squad, which places them in just as much danger as the rest of the squad.

hey rudd,
you were right about the combat meds having the l85a2, even most of the medical officers have some...sorry to be so stubborn about it. I did however look up the training for phase 2 and i found this : 'Phase 2 training is 27 weeks, at the Defence Medical Services Training Group at Keogh Barracks near Aldershot.' They dont do any infantry training at catterick for their phase 2, maybe phase 3 or pre deployment training.

Once again im sorry about the mix up, i mustve been thinking about the tank crewman and the corporal was a sergeant for the queens royal lancers at the recruitment office where i started .

Thanks for the lessons rudd and gaz

Shots_Sniper

hmmmmm......

USN Corpsman attached to RCT and Infantry Platoons go to combat training equivalent to MCT and after they are put with a Marine untit they participate in drills etc... So they are combat trained. Also MARSOC Corpsman go through MARSOC training.

Corpsmen stay combat ready via TCCC

Hospital Corpsman (HM)

Combat Medic Training Evolves to Save Lives (MEDIC! CORPSMAN!)

USArmy Medics go through combat training too.

http://www.corpsman.com/history/army-68 ... bat-medic/

I do not know about any other country's service I would assume they do though.

getting on topic at least give Medics and Corpsman a red dot.

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in each picture the corpsman has some type of optic. I could not find one w.o an optic.

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Same with looking up US Army Medics

Note all pictures are in combat environments. I can see why the devs do not give them scopes but at least give them aimpoint. I do not see anyone ramboing it on IDF or Cad side right now so why not...

Not every rifle has to be with scope. It's realistic, cause ACOG-scope is very common scope, but hasn't fully taken over. Iron sights are good and when shooting about 10-50m with rifle, they are very useful. Ofcourse we can't forget Reflex sight, the dot. It is best sight of all when fighting somewhere else than Kashan desert.

I think different scopes could be new feature on PR in the future. Night map would be great. Conventional forces could be armed with rifle with a night scope. Or just night vision binoculars. And old long distance scopes would be good perhaps for US marines

Ford_Jam wrote:I wouldn't mind an aimpoint on the medic kit, especially the M16/M4. The ironsite on those two guns is HUGE, can't see a thing past it :\

i agree with ford

Maybe Primary IS, secondary AP?

Scopes for the medic is not realism issue. Sure army can afford scopes for every fighting soldier. Existence of epipens already turn medic class imba. Rather nerf it. Whitout epipens I would accept scope for the medic. What if we could choose scoped rifle by right cliking the icon, but cost of lacking epipens?!

sharpshootertrig wrote:i agree with ford

me too an aim point would be really use full

Instead of that, why not give ALL faction non-magnified optics on their "scopeless" kits?

AFAIK, atleast the AK74MN and QBZ-95 have non-magnified optics designed specifically for them.

Ahh, combat medicine. A subject dear to my heart. How things work as far as the NZ Army goes which is reasonably similar to most NATO countries.

Basic First Aid - All soldiers receive this.
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Combat Lifesaver - Slightly more advanced first aid, this is part of trade progression as a rifleman. Get trained in airway adjuncts, primary and secondary surveys and some basic analgesia.
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Medic - Highly trained to a paramedic level in emergency care. Can use IV drugs, diagnose and treat non-emergency medical conditions, trained in patient care etc.
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Nursing Officer - Nurses
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Medical Officer - Doctors

The real question is: Are the medics in game infantry soldiers with advanced medical training or are they dedicated medical personnel? I'm assuming they are the former which means their job is to fight until someone is injured. In a contact you need all the rounds going down range that you can.

As for weapons, Medics are sometimes issued short barreled Steyrs (not as short as the ones issued to crewmen) as the compact size makes them easier to sling when treating patients/carrying stretchers etc. Apparently side arms are sometimes issued as well though mainly to NOs/MOs.

As for scopes - our Steyrs all have integrated scopes so we get the same type as everyone else.

The thing that really makes me laugh is the use of epipens to 'revive' the seriously wounded. Epinephrine/Adrenaline isn't indicated for gunshot wounds - unless you've been shot with a peanut and you're allergic to peanuts.

ShadesOfBlack wrote: The thing that really makes me laugh is the use of epipens to 'revive' the seriously wounded. Epinephrine/Adrenaline isn't indicated for gunshot wounds - unless you've been shot with a peanut and you're allergic to peanuts.

Hilarious but I believe the EpiPen is a placeholder for something else/better treatment? So true though with the peanut, or bee sting!

Shots1721 wrote:So your saying a medics whose role is to treat the wounded and keep check on casualties is to fight at the same time? cant happen, like i said the only time they ever fire or are ever in combat is when theyre in a real sticky situation.

um correct me if im wrong, but isnt any time your in combat is a "real sticky situation"... i just spent the past year training for afghanistan, with medics by our sides... and our medics train combat first, first aid 2nd, no point in trying to heal the guy, if you cant lay down enough fire on the enemy to keep him from shooting... If we get into an ambush, i dont expect the medic to lay down his gun and start running around trying to help people... i hope he keeps shooting his gun so more dont get injured, see what im getting at?