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mo0nbuggy1 wrote:Use google, read a book, I wouldn't be doing them any justice by trying to expain exactly what they do. And I dont think he means they didn't smoke at all but that they didn't smoke on patrol. They did smoke on base and drink, but didn't smoke drugs like some others we know about, hint hint.

Sorry but I still call BS...

Drafted civilians don't have the will or discipline. I guaranty you some did drugs. And some smoked on patrol. I can guaranty you. Especially with the 60, 000 aussie troops that we're sent (I had to search that and you're the aussie)

And by the way, I know what the SAS is, during ww2 it was basicly the british foreign legion. I was just making a point, no special force anywhere in the world would grant such a status to anybody else then themselves, its just non-sense to say that.

Don't take offense, just don't put too much frosting on the cake or I won't eat it. lol

P.S: You're not doing them justice by saying they are the best at what they do when you don't know what they do...

The SAS is a airborne force. During ww2 they specialized in sabotage behind enemy lines.

I'm not even going to bother to respond to that cluster, wow.

So Aussie forces are going to be in the mod, awesome, thats all that matters.
I'm looking forward to it, cheers.

The Blue is my annotation, the red are what i believe to be inaccuracies in your post.

JohnnyTheIED wrote:Sorry but I still call BS...

Drafted civilians don't have the will or discipline. I guaranty you some did drugs. And some smoked on patrol. I can guaranty you. Especially with the 60, 000 aussie troops that we're sent (I had to search that and you're the aussie) <-- We are not arguing that conscripted troops are more or less motivated than career/professional soldiers. However, Australian and New Zealand troops (Nashos and Regulars alike) were disciplined for smoking on patrols, unnecessary talking on patrols, and heavily disciplined for using recreational drugs. This is how we can be reasonably sure that it occured a lot less within ANZAC units than it did within American units.

And by the way, I know what the SAS is, during ww2 it was basicly the british foreign legion <-- This is quite an inaccurate comparison. The SAS is a special forces regiment drawn from commonwealth nations armed forces, primarily from Great Britain though as most commonwealth countries have their own Special Forces branch of their respective militaries. The SAS shares very little in common with the French Foreign Legion, whom recruit civilians of any nationality, with very few questions (unless interpol is after the recruit for a serious crime, then they are more likely to hand the recruit over to interpol than allow him the chance to change his name in the legion), 22SAS requires that you have served with a commonwealth military for a period of time, preferably having served with your nations Special Forces branch. . I was just making a point, no special force anywhere in the world would grant such a status to anybody else then themselves, its just non-sense to say that.

Don't take offense, just don't put too much frosting on the cake or I won't eat it. lol

P.S: You're not doing them justice by saying they are the best at what they do when you don't know what they do...

The SAS is a airborne force. <-- I also believe this to be incorrect. The Special Air Service was given its name to deceive the Germans during World War 2 so they would think there targets were going to be bombed by air instead of by Commandos. Nowadays the SAS comprises of a section of different "troops". These different troops are able to operate in most environments on short notice. The SAS are able to deploy via Aircraft, Ships/Boats (although this is SBS's specialty), and via land transport, ie vehicles and good old fashion walking. They are not limited to simply being "an airbourne force" During ww2 they specialized in sabotage behind enemy lines.

Johnny please do some more research before lashing back like this. I would like this to be the end of this arguement please, this is not the thread for it. If you would like to continue this in a private environment then feel free to pm me

JohnnyTheIED wrote: Would be a shame if it was more if you ask me, shame that there wasn't more coverage from the media and history books.

In Modern History for the final years of schooling (HSC, Higher School Certificate) in NSW (New South Wales) Vietnam is a huge part of it. Obviously in rural Canada or wherever you are you're not going to learn much about the Australian involvement.

Here are some statistics:

From the time of the arrival of the first members of the Team in 1962 almost 60,000 Australians, including ground troops and air force and navy personnel, served in Vietnam; 521 died as a result of the war and over 3,000 were wounded.

That is quoted from the AWM (Australian War Memorial) website, which has gargantuan amounts of images, articles etc. from all of Australia's conflicts.

Australian War Memorial - Vietnam War 1962â$“75

Someone mentioned that Aussies and Kiwies were the only US-allies that went to Vietnam. This is inaccurate. South Korea was the nation with the third highest number of troops on the anti-Communist side of the conflict.

ROK Army and Marines rock-solid in Vietnam War
Apparently, a total of over 300 000 served, of which 5000 were killed.

STORM-Mama wrote:Someone mentioned that Aussies and Kiwies were the only US-allies that went to Vietnam. This is inaccurate. South Korea was the nation with the third highest number of troops on the anti-Communist side of the conflict.

ROK Army and Marines rock-solid in Vietnam War
Apparently, a total of over 300 000 served, of which 5000 were killed.

South Koreans and Filipinos sent troops, but were used primarily in a training role according to the guys i've talked to. As far as i know they did not act independently like the Australians and New Zealanders, they were attached to US Units.

Lots of aggressivity when a man is just sating facts.

First its nobody smoked or did drugs, then its they got disciplined? I made my point.

SAS is a airborne force.

French resistance, Pols, Danes, Swedes and many others we're part of it. And they are NOT commonwealth. It was basically the British foreign legion during world war 2.

P.S: Rural Canada? lol. Maybe in Australia they care to talk about it but in Canada we have a lot more history to cover then Vietnam. Don't try to insult me because you boost the actual truth about Australian soldiers and I bring it back to something plausible.

Just the example of the "We're super soldiers who didnt do drugs or smoke and we're 10 times better than USA and we have SASR that all Special forces bow down to" to then become "Our draftees got disciplined if they did drugs, I don't know what SAS did"

Dude, Who DIDNT get disciplined if they got caught doing drugs in the army.. lol

P.S: Guys, I'm not trying to fight anyone here, I'm just the "keep it real" guy. Like I said before, I dont doubt one second that Aussie forces we're good soldiers, just don't push it with "all Special forces recognize" and the utopia idea that nobody touched drugs or smokes. That's just unreal. It was the 60's man... lol

EDIT: Now this is interesting: "Australia's involvement in the Vietnam War began as a small commitment of 30 men in 1962, and increased over the following decade to a peak of 7,672 Australians deployed in South Vietnam"

So it was in fact 7, 500 troops, the rest was NAVY/AIR FORCE. Now the numbers make more sense.

Excuse me Johnny, but did you actually do some hard research before posting, or are you just saying things on the basis that you think is true? You even said yourself that you weren't taught much about the Vietnam conflict, so please refrain from making statements that you don't really know is fact.

Johnny all you have done in that second post is restate exactly what you did in the first post. ANZAC troops did not use drugs in Vietnam, because they were punished heavily for doing so, and they were not readily accessible to them at Nui Dat.

Like i have said before, this is not the thread to argue this. If you want to argue this further with me then please lets do it in a private environment like PM.

Nah sorry Johnny you are soooooooo full of shit It's not funny. We have nothing to say to you, go away.
No one respond to that clown please. Ignore him and perhaps he will go away.

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guys FFS get over it...

+1 to that. This thread is for the celebration of the Aussie forces in the up and coming PR:V mod.

Woot, FN FAL! Can't wait for that.

Gunner_downer wrote: Woot, FN FAL! Can't wait for that.

Woot, L1A1 SLR! Can't wait for that.

Will it just be Infantary or will the Armoured Corps in it too?

galeknight1 wrote:Excuse me Johnny, but did you actually do some hard research before posting, or are you just saying things on the basis that you think is true? You even said yourself that you weren't taught much about the Vietnam conflict, so please refrain from making statements that you don't really know is fact.

Stop trying to talk scrap for people. I said I wasn't shown much about Australian troops in Vietnam. Not that I "wasn't taught about Vietnam conflict" lol. You drunkies are full of it.

And considering there was only 7, 500 troops at the highest peak, Doesn't seem like I missed much either does it.

Edit: User was warned for "attitude problem". This is not an acceptable way to interact with other user in these forums.

The Aussies used the Centurion Tank there too

JohnnyTheIED wrote: And by the way, I know what the SAS is, during ww2 it was basically the British foreign legion.

LOL the foreign legion has convicts that are not from France in it and the SAS in the beginning had only British members and used the LRDG to get around...

JohnnyTheIED wrote:The SAS is a airborne force.

Not entirely true there are 4 specialties You had one. Air troop, Mountain Troop, Seaborne Troop (SBS ) and mobility Troop (trucks and stuff)

JohnnyTheIED wrote:During ww2 they specialized in sabotage behind enemy lines.

Yes they did, Jock Lewis one of the first members of the SAS created the Lewis bomb for one of there early raid on a german airfield which was semi successful.

Johnny we appreciate your enthusiasm but try to read up on the subject you would like to debate.

mo0nbuggy1 wrote:Will it just be Infantary or will the Armoured Corps in it too?

The assets required for an APC unit are already in EoD2. Not sure about a Centurion Tank though. We'll have to wait and see

[R-COM]HangMan wrote: We'll have to wait and see

(hint hint, nudge nudge.)

Oh, and lets stop the bickering gentleman.
There really is no point in arguing, as this was a simple thread to ask about the Aussies in PR:Vietnam

Hitman.2.5 wrote:LOL the foreign legion has convicts that are not from France in it and the SAS in the beginning had only British members and used the LRDG to get around...

Exactly why I compared it to the French legion, SAS had French, Polish, Danish and many other foreign regiments during world war 2. You obviously have absolutely no knowledge about that. Max Manus was way more famous (and successful) than Lewis. Go read about where he's from.

And you're also wrong about the French Foreign Legion, its not convicts. They refuse you if you're a wanted fugitive. You obviously don't have a clue of what you're talking about yet try to seem expert on the subject.

Nice try tho it almost seemed intelligent the way you put it.


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