Hawkei officially replacing the Land Rover in the ADF?

[anglomanii]

i have to wonder what Europeans or Americans think about that though?

[anglomanii]

latest update on the JLTV program

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i don't have anything new on the hawkei as yet..

[HairyFence]

I have seen some major flaws with this vehicle, here is my improvement list.

- During an explosion (ie. IED,Mine ect) the blast is reflected away from the vehicle by using a rounded hull.
- Compromise approache and deproache angles by moving the wheels closer together to give better rollover angles. This also gives better protection to the wheels if you are raming into things.
- Round the body of the vehicle to give better reflection of small arms fire and less impact of explosions.
- Rather than use wishbone which has very limited suspension articulation, move to hydrolic rams. Not the most comfortable in the world, but it will allow the wheels to drop huge distances to get traction.
- Bigger tyres allow you to go over big objects, but wider tyres give you more grip and traction.
- A winch on the front is only useful only when you can get to it. A portable hand winch or rear mounted electronic winch is needed.
- The air vents for the engine on the bonnet will give of a massive heat signature to any opposing force. Air intakes should be moved to the top of the vehicle. This gives better air quality for the engine in convoy or dirty areas, also moves the heat signature to the top of the vehicle giving the enemy a harder target to hit.
- The bullbar on the front needs to be harden up. If your raming into walls, gates, houses wtih this vehicle on recon then you want something stronger than a bit of tubing.
- Lastly, fit some lockers and she will go anywhere!

I can find no videos of this vehicle offroad other than flat chat flat sand. Just my impression just far.

[anglomanii]

http://www.thalesprotectedmobility.com. ... 271109.pdf

I'm not too worried.

[ChiefRyza]

Jeez anglomaani, you should have gone to Thales and fixed that stuff yourself mate!

[HairyFence]

Just seen in the brochure this does not have offset differentials. The land rover does.
Having offset differentials allows the vehicle to not get hung up on things such as rocks by the diff.

[Jimbom]

^ I have still seen drivers manage to get stuck on the Diff;s of a Rover... The faster the Army can get rid of the old 110's the better we are going to be, the number of times I've seen people have near fatal accidents due to their poor handling, crappy steering, non existant brakes, and tendency to roll at the slightest hint of an incline...

[anglomanii]

while the hawkei is definitally on the list, there is no way of knowing if it will be chosen. i am hearing a lot about the ocelote, i might not like it but when has my opinion ever mattered. don't get me wrong they are all VERY good unit's but the scope i have seen built into the Hawkei is better then i have seen in the other models. point taken as i have seen far less of the other systems then i have the hawkei. so yeah i am biased.....

lets just wait and see for now. after all we still have the M113 replacement to tender yet.

[Jimbom]

C'mon Anglo those old Buckets are going to be in the system for atleast another 10 years! After all we just finished spending a small fortune on lengthening and uparmouring them all!

For what its worth mate, I also think we should get the Hawkei and as many other Thales vehicals as we can afford as, we know they work, we know they are almost indestructable, and for pretty much the first time ever the vendor is local which means that the money is atleast staying somewhat local.

[anglomanii]

if your talking about the rover's? i dont know, talk to digrar, he'd know more. but the G-wanks will be rolling throught soon. AFAIK

[Jimbom]

I was refering to the M113's

[dtacs]

I was refering to the M113's

In what way were they uparmored? All I could see in the AS4's was the turret.

[Jimbom]

I don't know the specifics, all my information came from a bloke at my unit who worked on the project for a while. The only thing I can think of is that they have added stuff to the insides to make them stronger.

[anglomanii]

oh yeah, i get it sorry.....face palm!

well yeah the battle taxi's have been upgraded. i got a look at the new ones a while back.
VERY VERY NICE. most of the digs i got to talk to still think thier mobile coffins, but they did get a lot of attention. M113-AS4 APC variants protection from 14.5mm AP; internal spall liners, hull reinforcement mine protection, external fuel tanks. radar cross-section and infra-red signature reduction. new engine, transmission, drive train and driver?s controls. suspension, track and road wheels replaced (very quite they have heaps of rubber).

the .50 they have is different too, but i dont think we are allowed to talk about it are we?.

oh yeah full optics suite and satnav ect too..

[Truism]

That's because they still are mobile coffins. The 14.5 protection is only in some places, while the system still can't protect itself from enemy vehicles, and still has a flat (ie. iedable) hull.

I heard rumours about Pumas though, that's some exciting stuff.

[anglomanii]

no, it's def 14mm defence all round, thats one of the reasons the fuel is outside now and they needed the bigger engine.

it's all updated in the land 40 edition of ADM.

[Truism]

That's good to hear? I was told when doing some stuff with 5 that it was still going to be cheese for 7.62mm on the sides and back, and that the engine still had nothing but a layer of sheet metal between it and angry rounds.

[anglomanii]

it's the plasan armour package, they only fit them in certain combat environments. not for general use, due to the cost of the armour sets.

[J.Baal]

Been a while since I have posted here, Be kind

My inside sources tell me that the Landrover is being replaced by the:

The MWMIK known as the jackal. also used by britain and dutch military forces

Apparently they displayed it to the Government, They loved it and issued it as our new Patrol Order Vehicle

Apparently we get a variant

Source: Defender Magazine

Edit: Forgot, I might aswel slip this in
Whats the story with the ADF mod?, Last I saw/heard was the beta which was downright amazing
Is Tonnie on deployment?

[[MPN]Slouch2]

Been a while since I have posted here, Be kind

My inside sources tell me that the Landrover is being replaced by the:

The MWMIK known as the jackal. also used by britain and dutch military forces

The standard Land Rover is being replaced by the BMW G-Wagon (See Page 8) where the SAS patrol vehicle is now the Nary Patrol Vehicle, which is a slightly modified Supacat/Jackal. It's named after WO2 David Nary who died during training in the Middle East.

Here's a Nary I spotted last year while in Perth-

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2815/16032009d.jpg