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Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-05-17 03:30
by ComradeHX
charliegrs wrote:Image

The one on top is a type 56, the bottom is a soviet AK. The physical differences are so few I think the most you would have to do is maybe retexture the wood parts. As for the bayonet, doesnt PR already have an AK with bayonet? {the milita uses it I think} I really dont think the differences would garner making a whole new model, that would just delay the release of PR:V even more.
If that is not a significant difference, I do not know what is.

The folding bayonet can even be an add-on to AK47 retextured model...I do not see how it will require a entirely new model.

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-05-31 00:57
by Infantry1242
usmcguy wrote:m-16 ftw..flame thrower ;)
HAVEto have a flamethrower,its just not Vietnam without it

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-05-31 01:58
by GeorgRavioli
yeah the only problem is it might have to look like the FH2 flamethrower, which I find unimpressive. Oh well though. its probably worth being able to burn people alive in BF2 form.

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-01 12:16
by bigbear948
well, If an Australian Faction will be included in the mod, I'd like to see the L1A1 ,AKA FN FAL/SLR.

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-01 16:31
by masterceo
Infantry1242 wrote:HAVEto have a flamethrower,its just not Vietnam without it
the use of flamethrowers during the Vietnam war was very limited, napalm was much more common.
You must have mistaken it with World War II, more precisely the Japanese front where flamethrowers were quite a common sight.

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-02 00:57
by ENTI
any of your guys remember that game : VIETCONG??

that had al-sorts of weapons as well as traps :D
  • M1 Grand
  • M1 Carbine
  • Thompson
  • Grease gun
  • that m79 nade launcher thingy :D !

    you could get these from a certain mod for bf2 :) !!

    seriously i think the B.A.R was used as well and not forgetting the m14 :D

    we need some traps, punji sticks,? erm nade traps got! :D !

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-02 01:04
by Nano516
ENTI wrote:any of your guys remember that game : VIETCONG??

that had al-sorts of weapons as well as traps :D
  • M1 Grand
  • M1 Carbine
  • Thompson
  • Grease gun
  • that m79 nade launcher thingy :D !

    you could get these from a certain mod for bf2 :) !!

    seriously i think the B.A.R was used as well and not forgetting the m14 :D

    we need some traps, punji sticks,? erm nade traps got! :D !
ur list is more ww2

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-02 01:15
by ENTI
yea i know but they were used during vietnam! the m1 had a scope! etc n the m1 carbine had a bigger clip and was fully automatic! etc little changes like that!

coulnt find the m1 grand on this site but check it out :D

Weapons of the Vietnam War

oh heres the m1 :D ! with allsorts of extra goodies too!

Weapons of the Vietnam War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

theirs some research for ya fellas!

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-02 08:30
by Maxfragg
linking wikipedia is no research and the other site does not give numbers, nor sources => useless
seriously, in vietnam the m14 had replaced the garand/m1a1 carbine allmost completely and the carbine with the bigger mag and selective fire was the M2 carbine, which was only produced in small numbers and primary used in korea (despite saying that its been one of the weakest assaultrifles ever made (or a very early, chunky PDW :-P )

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-02 09:08
by Goblin
1: Punchi sticks

2: Bounching Bettys

3: Tripwire flares that shoot into the sky and iluminates the sky (iff night time maps are present)

4: Tripwire claymores

5: Machete knife

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-02 13:44
by =]H[=CubCadet1972
All US kits come with a Zippo.

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-02 14:09
by MCI
Most of all I would like to see some WW II weapons:

M1 Garand (idk which version probably late war)
M1 Carabine (idk which version probably late war)
M1 Thompson (idk which version probably late war)
Colt 1911

And any I forgot, but then again that's only for the early era maps.

Are there any plans to get the French army in?

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-02 14:14
by Bob_Marley
Nano516 wrote:ur list is more ww2
M3A1 grease guns were still issue for tank crews till after the Gulf War, when it was replaced with the M4.

Anyway,

MAS-49
MAT-49
MAS-36
MAS mle.1950
FM 24/29
AA-52

Vive la France!

L1A1
L2A1
L2A1 "*****"
XM148
L4A1
F1
Browning Hi-Power

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-02 14:17
by Wakain
any of your guys remember that game : VIETCONG??

that had al-sorts of weapons as well as traps

* M1 Grand
* M1 Carbine
* Thompson
* Grease gun
* that m79 nade launcher thingy !

you could get these from a certain mod for bf2 !!

seriously i think the B.A.R was used as well and not forgetting the m14

we need some traps, punji sticks,? erm nade traps got! !
in the early part of the war the ARVN were supplied with ww2/korea era weapons, however this met with practical problems as most weapons were too large and heavy for the relatively smaller/shorter/frailer south vietnamese soldiers(no discrimination or racism intended here!)
by the end of the 60's more modern weapons were supplied such as the m16, car-15(or xm-... don't know that number by heart)and m60's which were relatively easier to handle due to less weight

also I think you confuse the m1 carbine with the m2 carbine which was a child of the korean war and had a larger magazine and I believe fire-rate selection.

I think these weapons are hardly a priority, though they might become an option when most other weapons are implemented and the dev's seek to include an early period which offers a different sort of warfare.

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-02 16:56
by ENTI
Wakain wrote:in the early part of the war the ARVN were supplied with ww2/korea era weapons, however this met with practical problems as most weapons were too large and heavy for the relatively smaller/shorter/frailer south vietnamese soldiers(no discrimination or racism intended here!)
by the end of the 60's more modern weapons were supplied such as the m16, car-15(or xm-... don't know that number by heart)and m60's which were relatively easier to handle due to less weight

also I think you confuse the m1 carbine with the m2 carbine which was a child of the korean war and had a larger magazine and I believe fire-rate selection.

I think these weapons are hardly a priority, though they might become an option when most other weapons are implemented and the dev's seek to include an early period which offers a different sort of warfare.
yea suppose......... your right..... never mind then was just an idea. however you could add them as special kits or even for different factions, that were fighting... like the ARVN!

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-02 22:16
by Redamare
Special ability kit flame thrower 100%...... like a sniper kit only 1 or 2 per team shooting the flames of a molotov 30 feet foward.....

the US kits basicaly normal full automatic M16, M14

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-02 23:17
by chagadiel
i agree that flamethrowers really where not used much with infantry in vietnam. the reason is probably becuase the grunt had to hump for weeks at a time without contact. imagine humping your way threw the boonies with that big tank of napalm on your back and you would probably be the first to be hit by the opening shots. it just wasnt practicle.

i think i have seen a picture of one being carried in the Dac To battle where three nva regiments tried their hill trap idea and surrounded and nearly wiped out a battalion of the 173rd airbourne. there was alot of nva fortifications and the engineers may have been requested and managed to get in before it got really nasty

in my humbe opinion there was not enough for them to be a reguler part of the game even if its limited to one.

however there where specialy converted m113's. m48 tanks and river monitors with flamethrowers and they where mean and nasty.

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-03 07:09
by Goblin
NVA/VC Shut be able to if not spawn/request it then perhabs like a pickupkit, be able to get a suicide backpack like they used alot in real life, to overun a US patrol/base etc. Howe powerfull it shut be no ider perhabs like the regular IED/C4 blast in normal PR.

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-03 11:36
by Jarryd_455495
I will be happy if just the M1911 gets put in

Re: Weapons desired in PR:Vietnam

Posted: 2010-06-03 12:42
by Ninja2dan
Goblin wrote:1: Punchi sticks
Punji sticks were not a weapon, but were part of a ground trap or defensive barrier. And I don't think dynamic objects such as player-deployed traps can have a negative position within the terrain, so the placement of such traps would need to be part of the map itself.
2: Bounching Bettys
The "Bouncing Betty" was actually a German landmine, the S-Mine. The US instead used the M16 series mines, which were which were based on the S-Mine design. I don't think a bouncing animation would work with the game engine though, so they would basically work like other mines.
4: Tripwire claymores
The M18A1 mine is capable of tripwire detonation, but this method was not commonly used and was dangerous to friendly soldiers. I personally don't want to see them used again, or else the gameplay is going to turn out just like vanilla with all kinds of TK's due to mines.


[quote=""'[R-MOD"]Bob_Marley;1357163']M3A1 grease guns were still issue for tank crews till after the Gulf War, when it was replaced with the M4.
[/quote]

An interesting fact, the first unit that I enlisted into back in early 1996 (Army National Guard) actually had a single M3A1 still in their inventory, but it was never used. In fact, none of the armorers in the unit at the time even knew how to field strip it, and it sat in a rack for 2 more years until it was finally relocated.

Depending on which factions are present in the mod, there is ample chance to see plenty of WWII-era weapons in use. Although not commonly issued to frontline infantry units, many recon and SF units were still commonly seen carrying various weapons like the Sterling, Sten, Thompson, etc. It would be fun to see some of those weapons in the mod, and your suggestion list does bring back memories.

[quote="Wakain""]...by the end of the 60's more modern weapons were supplied such as the m16, car-15(or xm-... don't know that number by heart)and m60's which were relatively easier to handle due to less weight[/quote]

The "CAR-15" was the later designation, during the war it was mostly referred to as the XM-177. The name CAR-15 is actually used to refer to all carbine variants of the series, now called the M4 family. The XM-177 was the earlier model with a very easy-to-identify style of flash hider. There are a few variants of the XM-177 series, namely having different barrel lengths and forward assist. But the units who actually used the XM-177 series during the Vietnam war were usually just Army SF and some SEALs. They were not commonly issued to regulars.
also I think you confuse the m1 carbine with the m2 carbine which was a child of the korean war and had a larger magazine and I believe fire-rate selection.
This is mostly correct. During the war the M1 carbine was rarely seen except in the hands of the South Vietnamese. Some SF units were known to use the M2 carbine in limited quantities, but like several other weapons they were not seen in use by regulars.


I do see some problems with the flamethrower. As mentioned they were not used as commonly as they were during WWII, and were mostly used for special missions. I can see them being of use only on certain maps and as a specialty request kit, or maybe as a rare hidden pickup kit, but we've seen the problems that those lead to.


A lot of the weapons that would be used by regular forces are either in game now or in the works. Most common for the US would be the M16A1, M14, M60, M1911, and maybe the M1D or M21 (depending on year of action). Other weapons such as shotguns and specialty kits would be available too, but used less often.


My only wish is that if the US Navy SEALs are to become a faction at some point, the Stoner 63 would be available as a limited kit option. Although it was used in only a limited basis, it's still by far my favorite weapon system. It needs some love.