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I suggest giving the sniper's rifle the hability to spot.

I believe radio = no zoom = take your eyes out of the target = not *fun* if you *MAY* hit him. Radios are too bulky for a sniper, I believe he should be able to easily and quickly report-in targets.

Or do like this: when he fires, an artillery barrage comes from the sky, just like in star wars. This IS Project Reality afterall.

goguapsy wrote:I suggest giving the sniper's rifle the hability to spot.

I believe radio = no zoom = take your eyes out of the target = not *fun* if you *MAY* hit him. Radios are too bulky for a sniper, I believe he should be able to easily and quickly report-in targets.

Or do like this: when he fires, an artillery barrage comes from the sky, just like in star wars. This IS Project Reality afterall.

well if i may remind you of the fact that the radio is in fact an in-ear headset (dunno how its really called) then youd say its possible to report the target without taking your eyes off it.
but a snipers roll isnt just spotting and reporting targets, that would be useless if you think of satellites, UAVs or awacs etc bla.
the primary role (imo) is eliminating a primary target after identifying and reporting it to your commander . . . i cant understand why the bigger part of the community thinks that snipers are there to spot enemy forces. its absurd imo, cause waht are sniper rifles for? tell me?
the snipers real role is imo between the way its used now and your thoughts of a sniper who just reports contacts, just think of cod4 .. youre invisible, you wait, you identify and destroy your primary target. thats all

Sniper is just a long range fire support kinda guy.

He basically works like an APC.. minus the giant cannon and ability to carry people. Go around with infantry squads and provide long range accurate support.

Snipers are useful in PR. You just don't ever see it or appreciate it =) When done right, snipers are excellent in PR.

Zoddom wrote: but a snipers roll isnt just spotting and reporting targets, that would be useless if you think of satellites, UAVs or awacs etc bla.
the primary role (imo) is eliminating a primary target after identifying and reporting it to your commander . . . i cant understand why the bigger part of the community thinks that snipers are there to spot enemy forces. its absurd imo, cause waht are sniper rifles for? tell me?
the snipers real role is imo between the way its used now and your thoughts of a sniper who just reports contacts, just think of cod4 .. youre invisible, you wait, you identify and destroy your primary target. thats all

Snipers are there to observe and report back to command, I can give you countless sources on this, but I shouldn't have to. A sniper is ALSO there to take out targets of high value such as crew served weapons, enemy officers and the like, also, COD4? Jesus christ, no wonder the communities gone downhill.

Jonny wrote:Well why do we even have snipers then?
If they are not equipped to perform their main role then why are they still in the mod?
Thats like having a AT kit without an AT weapon.

Because they should always work with a spotter.

Zoddom wrote:well if i may remind you of the fact that the radio is in fact an in-ear headset (dunno how its really called) then youd say its possible to report the target without taking your eyes off it.

Not in PR... that's the whole deal. So as you have to sight-in the radio for SLs, you could sight-in your sniper rifle and make precision markers - without any need to set the distance, just what the target.

but a snipers roll isnt just spotting and reporting targets, that would be useless if you think of satellites, UAVs or awacs etc bla.
the primary role (imo) is eliminating a primary target after identifying and reporting it to your commander . . . i cant understand why the bigger part of the community thinks that snipers are there to spot enemy forces. its absurd imo, cause waht are sniper rifles for? tell me?
the snipers real role is imo between the way its used now and your thoughts of a sniper who just reports contacts, just think of cod4 .. youre invisible, you wait, you identify and destroy your primary target. thats all

Because you can be a sniper, kill one guy, he respawns... OR you could tell the team where there is an INF squad so they can take care of it - you take care of the OFFICER (because without leadership no squad is successful) when the infantry squad is close enough to stryke. OR you shoot down enemies behind your team's line.

TBH snipers are not THAT effective at killing from my experience in PR. The only one who managed to actually do some damage got quickly spotted, and taken care of.

Zoddom wrote:well if i may remind you of the fact that the radio is in fact an in-ear headset (dunno how its really called) then youd say its possible to report the target without taking your eyes off it.
but a snipers roll isnt just spotting and reporting targets, that would be useless if you think of satellites, UAVs or awacs etc bla.
the primary role (imo) is eliminating a primary target after identifying and reporting it to your commander . . . i cant understand why the bigger part of the community thinks that snipers are there to spot enemy forces. its absurd imo, cause waht are sniper rifles for? tell me?
the snipers real role is imo between the way its used now and your thoughts of a sniper who just reports contacts, just think of cod4 .. youre invisible, you wait, you identify and destroy your primary target. thats all

a snipers true roll is infact scouting, not shooting. the reason he has a rifle is so after monitoring a target he can be asked to take it down rather than waiting for a missile or artillery/bomb strike. it's just faster. this is the truth for the modern sniper. you can pull all the dictionary definitions you want, but those definitions haven't been updated since the idea of a sniper was first conceived where there role was simply to take a precise shot from a concealed position.

why satellites and aircraft don't make their scouting aspect obsolete? because satellites and scouting aircraft aren't always there. A satellite is above all cloud layers, bad weather makes it useless, it is also in orbit, it needs to constantly be moving, if it remains stationary gravity will pull it back in, so it has to keep circling back to where you need it to be. Aircraft need to make passes just like the satellite, only without the orbiting around the earth. they also run out of fuel and need to leave the airspace.

Snipers on the other hand can sit in a position and monitor an area continuously rain or shine, satellites and high flying aircraft cant do this.

also "to wait, to observe, to destroy your target of interest." only applies when there is a target of interest, an officer isnt a target of interest, he's just higher on the priority scale than a grunt. targets of interest specify specific person not a person in a role.

Bringerof_D wrote: he's just higher on the priority scale than a grunt. targets of interest specify specific person not a person in a role.

In PR, there are specific persons who are targets of interes i think. taking down the medic and the sql, will critically decrease the moral of the enemy squad, think.
I wont contradict that a snipers primary role is to observe, I think you know better, since many of you guys serve in some army, but imo the sniper ingame needs a rolechange, and im sure you answer me back if i say irl, snipers would be send out to eliminate a certain person or to disable enemy vehicles if the situation is critical. I think the scenarios ingame dont apply to a situation where you would send snipers out to observe targets, because you would do if a possible clash was imminent. And in PR, we are always already in a face-off.
So if we would concentrate the snipers role ingame on eliminating targets, it wouldnt be that unrealistic. If the sniper kit has a silencer (and possibly a bigger gun), it would be very usefull to disperse enemy squads, to force them to seek cover or even to disable enemy vehicles or for example deployable machine guns etc.

as it is now the sniper always needs a spotter or support if hes being found, but if we changed it to a one-man elite sniper whos able to get far behind enemy lines it would get a new role as a daunting, invisible and supirior unit which can decrease the enemies' moral and disturb their actions.

Bringerof_D wrote:also "to wait, to observe, to destroy your target of interest." only applies when there is a target of interest, an officer isnt a target of interest, he's just higher on the priority scale than a grunt. targets of interest specify specific person not a person in a role.

Everyone in the game is expert in using whatever weapons you find - you may be a medic or normal rifleman but you CAN use a SRAW or ERYX system with no issues. Therefore, kits are not priorities (except for enemy snipers, which are a big headache sometimes). The SL, though, won't command nearly as good as if he was there, seeing what was going on. Anyone can take the medic kit. Everyone can use an AR. Anybody can operate a high-tech AT system. But not anybody can squad-lead.

Specially without markers... ??:

Also if I may add to your list of importance of a sniper, I'd mention the point-of-view advantage - a UAV or satellite cannot see, easily, an enemy hinding inside a building.

Broadly approve, but would rather see the rifle fixed first.

goguapsy wrote: Also if I may add to your list of importance of a sniper, I'd mention the point-of-view advantage - a UAV or satellite cannot see, easily, an enemy hinding inside a building.

i agree, but i dont understand why you should send a sniper on a recon mission for just reporting some enemies inside buildings etc.

i just dont believe that snipers are sent out without the order to eliminate his objective. why does he have a rifle then? and why do they excrecise shooting then?

you guys degrade the PR sniper to a simple observer and recon unit. of course, theyre used to gather intel, but its obviously not ther PRIMARY ROLE. basta

In favor.

I've watched a couple movies(Yes movies, don't need to tell me that a Hollywood movie isn't an acceptable reference for real combat, I'm aware), and normally the sniper doesn't move around bearing his rifle like an assault weapon. It is normally on his shoulder whilst he moves from place to place, and if he reaches a good spot, now then he pulls his rifle out and stays pratically unmoveable until the right time.

A sniper does in fact move with his rifle, and so does his spotter. While the standard rifle issued to a sniper is not suited for rapid medium-ranged combat, it's still suitable for returning fire if needed.

The point is that when the sniper team is moving into position, the only reason they should need to fire their weapons is in self-defense. At any time the sniper team needs to take action, having the rifle in your hands is much better than being stuck with a flashlight or pace beads in hand. If you need to use your binoculars or designator, you should have more than enough time to get into position and pull that equipment out for use.


The problem with snipers in PR is not their kit or how the equipment is carried. It's because the players lack the knowledge or interest in using that kit as intended.


The answer is simple: While the sniper's primary task is for intel gathering, his priority above all else is staying alive.

Snipers have sidearms for self defence..

this is the purpose of a sniper

sniper is a highly trained marksman who shoots targets from concealed positions or distances exceeding the capabilities of regular personnel. Snipers typically have specialized training and distinct high-precision rifles.

In addition to marksmanship, military snipers are also trained in camouflage, field craft, infiltration, reconnaissance and observation. nipers are especially effective when deployed within the urban terrain of urban warfare.

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So basically snipers are ment to kill so let them keep there rifles which would be an excellent idea!

Xbrad150X wrote:

So basically snipers are ment to kill so let them keep there rifles which would be an excellent idea!

exactly this is what im trying to say all the time . . .
a sniper without is rifle is not a sniper, a sniper is not for nothing in german called "Scharfschütze", which literally means sharpshooter.
if you keep distance to the enemy, you can pin them down ingame very well, so wheres the point in ceasing fire in pr?

I think a couple people have misunderstood the OP. This isn't a suggestion to remove the sniper rifle altogether, just to reorder the snipers equipment correlates with what they should be focusing on.

I personally don't think reordering the kit will make a difference, I tend to snipe from time to time, in which case I team up with a friend, he picks the officer kit, I go sniper, he marks targets and we do it that way, in that respect my spotter is there to spot targets and report back enemy positions, I'm simply there to put accurate fire down range at priority targets (such as those firing on friendly units with specialist equipment). If anything, reordering the kit would give the impression that you can go off into the distance lonewolfing with the kit.

i personally think its not a good thing that you need 2 people in squad for sniper kit.
cause most of the maps just dont have enough place to hide two guys, so alone would make you much more flexible and (most important) invisible. if there are two heads popping up behind a cover, you can be much easier detected. and then you have to manage an escape with two people, not alone, and alone youd be much faster in running away i believe.