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I am pretty sure a HMMWV is not an APC. Lol.

For some reason, the BTRs and LAVs can take autocannon fire for extended periods of time.

Doesn't really make sense. A burst of HEI-T into the hull or turret would probably kill everyone inside from spall.

Hunt3r wrote:For some reason, the BTRs and LAVs can take autocannon fire for extended periods of time.

Doesn't really make sense. A burst of HEI-T into the hull or turret would probably kill everyone inside from spall.

A burst of HEI-T could kill everyone inside from spall. Depends on the size of the round, level of outside armor, and spall lining. There's a lot more variables than just bang->boom.

Since BF2's damage system is inherently unrealistic, this at least gives us workable gameplay.

me personally.... i dont ever drive BTRs ..they flip sooo easy .. also i just plain try to stay away from heavy machinery with 50cal coax and Thus and such MM Guns mounted on it lol ... but for real i have no idea why a BTR would take out your apc so easly lol unless its a bmp with TOW against you

Jonny wrote:It doesn't "just to emphasize how fail m113 is" at all. Being an APC implies its better armoured than a HMMWV.

Its only a bit more armored than a humvee, goes on fire after an RPG and.. and ive never lost to one m113 with a techy on Asad Khal.. u know it's coming b4 u even see it, and when u do see it, its such a huge target. Humvee also goes on fire after an RPG hit so the crew can survive, it does 3x less noise, moves 2x faster and its smaller => Safer to go around in a humvee than the "more armored" m113.

Nebsif wrote:Nebsif presents:

The APC Food Chain:
BTR-80A --> LAV = Chinese APC? -> BTR 80 -> BTR 60 -> Stryker (Cant even swim lolol) -> M113 -> Humvee (just to emphasize how fail m113 is).

That is usually balanced with numbers, such as more BTRs on Muttrah than LAVs.

Its more like, BMP-3 = M2 Bradley > BTR-80A > LAV-25/LAV-3 = Type 92 > BTR-80 > BTR-60 > BRDM-2 > Stryker > M113 > THEN HMMWV.

The BMP can knock out the Bradley with it's autocannon so fast it won't know what hit it.

Hummm... By BTR, I mean the Muttrah APC without windows. So doors? Is that it??? They don't seems to shoot door... Does wheel work? Before it did... But now it doesn't. So what are the hot spot?

Nebsif wrote:Nebsif presents:

The APC Food Chain:
BTR-80A --> LAV = Chinese APC? -> BTR 80 -> BTR 60 -> Stryker (Cant even swim lolol) -> M113 -> Humvee (just to emphasize how fail m113 is).

That is usually balanced with numbers, such as more BTRs on Muttrah than LAVs.

That is a very useful chain! Can you state which maps are the vehicle found?

Dr.Roy.Mustang wrote:Hummm... By BTR, I mean the Muttrah APC without windows. So doors? Is that it??? They don't seems to shoot door... Does wheel work? Before it did... But now it doesn't. So what are the hot spot?

I think the spade and exhaust may still work, not sure. The cloth on the BRDM also used to work (2x mags of 5.56 and it would die).


If you want to kill a LAV, you are going to need 2 BTR's or one very skilled crew and pretty much just 'snipe' it then chase it if you manage to track it. If you are the only APC on the mec side on Muttrah, look for any TOW's or HATs on your team and attempt to circle back to them constantly if LAVs are about.

Hunt3r wrote:The BMP can knock out the Bradley with it's autocannon so fast it won't know what hit it.

But then again, the Bradley has 2 TOW missiles per magazine, but the 27A2 can't go through that much prolonged firing now can it? The few rounds can make a difference, it did when I was in the BMP on Jabal, we got taken out by a single LAV-25 just because he started firing a mere second before we did.

you cant kill a BTR with heat rounds

dunem666 wrote:you cant kill a BTR with heat rounds

EVER? or it takes more rounds?

This thread is talking about BTR vs LAV. We'll assume muttrah here (LAV-25 + BTR-60), however yamalia has canadian LAV vs BTR-80's. Lets stay on topic here folks.



While using an APC, ALWAYS "snipe out" the other enemy. Get as many rounds into the weaker parts of each vehicle (Rear and Sides) as apposed to the front. Long range conquers here.

Drunkenup wrote:But then again, the Bradley has 2 TOW missiles per magazine, but the 27A2 can't go through that much prolonged firing now can it? The few rounds can make a difference, it did when I was in the BMP on Jabal, we got taken out by a single LAV-25 just because he started firing a mere second before we did.

Just fire off a 10 round burst, wait a bit, then spray into it again until it dies.

Foxxy wrote:1 lav < 1 btr

1 lav > 2 btrs

now 2 btrs vs 2 lavs

that depends it could go either way

am i supposed to believe that 1btr will kill a LAV but 2 btrs will loose against one? wheres the logic in that?