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what about the XM117 will it be added for Special Forces? if there will be ofcourse?!

Mauser GDog wrote:
Of course they will be the sniper kit's primary weapon.

Source? i thought snipers used the R700? maybe you mean marksman?

Conman51 wrote:Source? i thought snipers used the R700? maybe you mean marksman?

The M40 and M24 are both Remington 700's. The M40 is the short-action, while the M24 is the long-action. The USMC has been using the M40 since mid- and late-60's.

The M21 was the US Army's sniper rifle during that time period, with a few limited M1C/D's around.

what about the XM117 will it be added for Special Forces? if there will be ofcourse?!

if we look what project reality stands for today, you'll notice special forces are not included, and if we can trust the devs they'll never be, so I guess no.

in respone to [R-dev]ninja2dan: so we can expect the US army to have the m21 and the usmc(if they are to be included, perhaps at a later build)to have the m40 as their primary sniper rifle in their like-named kit?
(was to be expected but just for confirmation)

Wakain wrote: in respone to [R-dev]ninja2dan: so we can expect the US army to have the m21 and the usmc(if they are to be included, perhaps at a later build)to have the m40 as their primary sniper rifle in their like-named kit?
(was to be expected but just for confirmation)

I just want to confirm that I'm not a part of the PR:Vietnam team, so any comments or suggestions I post are just my own personal opinions. My statement regarding the M40 and M21 was just to give a factual answer regarding those weapons.

I would assume that the M40 and M21 would be used in PR:V though because their base models have already been floating around in PR for a while now. But it's still up to the PR:V team which weapons they will use, or which factions will be appearing.

Conman51 wrote:Source? i thought snipers used the R700? maybe you mean marksman?

You're right. After some more reading, I realize I had just assumed it was the most widely used sniper rifle. Sounds like while it was used in this role often, the other rifles you mentioned were the dedicated sniper platforms.

I think I'm blinded by my love of the M14.

the M21 is a sniper rifle where as the M-14 was a battle rifle those guys in the picture probably were snipers considering they had suppressors and night scopes

Hitman.2.5 wrote:...those guys in the picture probably were snipers considering they had suppressors and night scopes

I thought the sign behind them sort of gave it away?

[R-DEV]Ninja2dan wrote:I thought the sign behind them sort of gave it away?

that too, but thats one of the obvious give aways, we should let people use there brains XD

I think the 20 rounds mags is better idea because it makes you more thinking when to shoot...

I noticed no one mentioned two 20 round clips taped together, like a banana clip you know? Then you've got 40 rounds with a quick reload in between.

Harrris91 wrote:I noticed no one mentioned two 20 round clips taped together, like a banana clip you know? Then you've got 40 rounds with a quick reload in between.

This is something I only suggest for the movies, not real life. And I'll explain why.

First, you have two options of holding the magazines together. You can try your suggestion, taping one of the magazines next to the other and upside-down. Or you can "clip" them together, both facing up-right, with a spacer in between to allow the mag well to fit between the two.

The first option is bad, really bad. The magazines will have a hell of a hard time fitting into your magazine pouches, so you'll need to modify them or find a non-issue carrier. Not to mention the fact that you are now exposing your ammunition to the elements, just think of what will happen when you fire from the prone. You're going to get a lot of **** in that bottom magazine, causing a possible jam of the weapon. Deadly mistake.

The second option would require specially made clamps, or some custom rigging job that could fall apart or not work correctly. And during the time period that the Vietnam war took place, nobody was using those kind of clamps for military application. I don't even know if they were invented or used anywhere at all yet.


With the A1 and its full-auto capability, I'd rather see lower magazine capacity anyways. Players are sort of like the real soldiers from 'Nam, they are lacking proper training and fire discipline. With the use of 20-round magazines, people might start practicing better fire control instead of melting barrels.

Mauser GDog wrote:You're right. After some more reading, I realize I had just assumed it was the most widely used sniper rifle. Sounds like while it was used in this role often, the other rifles you mentioned were the dedicated sniper platforms.

The XM21 was the sniper platform for the Army after 1969. There was no such thing as a platoon or squad designated marksman through the war, and until 1969/1970 there was not even an official sniper capability in the Army infantry units. It was just ad hoc organization and whatever rifle and scope you could get; M1C and M1D were still in the inventory.

Prior to the adoption of the M40 the Marines used Winchester Model 70s in .30-06.

[R-DEV]Ninja2dan wrote:This is something I only suggest for the movies, not real life. And I'll explain why.

First, you have two options of holding the magazines together. You can try your suggestion, taping one of the magazines next to the other and upside-down. Or you can "clip" them together, both facing up-right, with a spacer in between to allow the mag well to fit between the two.

The first option is bad, really bad. The magazines will have a hell of a hard time fitting into your magazine pouches, so you'll need to modify them or find a non-issue carrier. Not to mention the fact that you are now exposing your ammunition to the elements, just think of what will happen when you fire from the prone. You're going to get a lot of **** in that bottom magazine, causing a possible jam of the weapon. Deadly mistake.

The second option would require specially made clamps, or some custom rigging job that could fall apart or not work correctly. And during the time period that the Vietnam war took place, nobody was using those kind of clamps for military application. I don't even know if they were invented or used anywhere at all yet.


With the A1 and its full-auto capability, I'd rather see lower magazine capacity anyways. Players are sort of like the real soldiers from 'Nam, they are lacking proper training and fire discipline. With the use of 20-round magazines, people might start practicing better fire control instead of melting barrels.

Well see the reason I say this is my Science teacher from middle school. He talked about his experience in Vietnam occasionally and that was a topic he brought up once. He told us he did that for a while until he realized that the M-16 was shit and picked up an AK to use. I figure it was just a preference and not particularly wide spread. At the very least one kit should come with banana clips like that. Just for fun.

Harrris91 wrote: At the very least one kit should come with banana clips like that. Just for fun.

PR isnt just about fun, its about realism/ accuracy, if 30 rnd mags werent issued to average joe troops, then most likely they wont be in PR

Harrris91 wrote:Well see the reason I say this is my Science teacher from middle school. He talked about his experience in Vietnam occasionally and that was a topic he brought up once. He told us he did that for a while until he realized that the M-16 was shit and picked up an AK to use. I figure it was just a preference and not particularly wide spread. At the very least one kit should come with banana clips like that. Just for fun.

Yeah, well my woodworking teacher from middle school who served in 'Nam under the US Army, shot in the neck, and lives with some kind of neck problem since. First using the M14, his opinion on the heavier rifle was generally positive, he liked the accuracy, he liked the firepower, thus liking the battle rifle, heavy-ness of the rifle. Moving on to the M-16, he said it felt lighter, packed a smaller punch. He quoted that it almost felt like the M3 Grease Gun that he got to fire a few times after the war. He hated it with a passion, almost glued to his M14 in the first few, then started to see its worth. The AK, on the otherhand, the only thing he said bout it, was seeing a North Vietnamese soldier suppress his fireteam with a single AK, over and over again, magazine after magazine.

Conman51 wrote:PR isnt just about fun, its about realism/ accuracy, if 30 rnd mags werent issued to average joe troops, then most likely they wont be in PR

I was talking about two 20 round magazines taped together. Why take the fun out of everything anyway? Maybe they were not widely used by soldiers over there but ONE kit with them would't be a breach of realism. Ultimately I don't really care either way, it was just a suggestion. Now, what I am excited for is getting my hands on an M-14. I think we can all agree on that.

I've always been a huge m14 fan, and while I understand they were phased out I really hope that we get to use them. The 20 round mags would surely add an advantage to the AK totting VN, but at this point we don't know the impact the mag size will have. I'm hoping devs strike the perfect balance between infantry forces, and not try to remain true to reality, as the AK was obviously a superior weapon (let's not forget that the same model is still being used against us overseas).

Another issue I'm curious about is the m16-a1 being prone to jam, will we engage the enemy only to have 2 guys stop firing to clear a jam?

If a m16a1 was cleaned often and I mean very often they would only "stove pipe" once in a while if that happens you can remove the mag and drop the first round then use the foward assit to remove the old shell.

Now, as for 20rds vs 30rds the 20s were most often issued to grunts early to mid war. late war fources such as air cav started to get 30s. Spec ops guys got them mid war and used them they were well liked.

My thought on this matter is for each map have a date such as, 101st Airborne 1956 would be m14 as the norm. Then 173rd Airborne 1969 would be 30rds.

Thats my 2 cents.

-Wolf

For ultra-realism the M16's should have the 20 round magazines loaded with only 18 rounds; in real life if you loaded the full 20 it had a tendency to jam. Im saying what Ive heard from several veterans