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joethepro36 wrote:This is OMG level. This thread is entirely speculation and my personal view is that if anything the new version will make the BLUFOR much more dangerous than the INS side. I refuse to make any more conjecture than that.

ryan d ale wrote:Thank you for this post Jaymz.

I was wondering what warhead the SPG 9 would use. I did lots of research on it to find out the best use and of course also came into much statistical data about warheads and penetration.

Alucard, the thread title and subject don't match as well as they could so I will try to address both aspects.

You're basically comparing INS to a faction which can now use conventional play because of added vehicles and skills, rather than complaining about them being over-powered it seems.

There's a few things we have to remember as insurgents:-

1. We don't have scoped rifles
2. We have less accuracy
3. No guided munitions.
4. No Realtime Surveillence.
5. No CAS.
6. Insurgent groups operate in DEFENCE. You don't fight the Iraqi Insurgency in your home town in the USA. Even if they had the chance, most insurgents wouldn't.
7. The Russians made the SPG - 9. Do you know what the Anti Tank doctrine was (or still might be)?

I will sum it up and post a link if someone asks for it

Engage armour with armour

RPGs and SPGs are purely DEFENSIVE weapons due to their vulnerability, mobility issues and in case of RPG - lack of range. They aren't good weapons to go tank hunting with - therefore the AAS conventional style won't be in play.

This means, you don't have an SPG-9 built under the Fallujah gates or on the main road to dominate enemy armour. It simply wouldn't work. Down a street, well hidden, near a cache - is much more effective.

Recoil-less technicals do provide some good mobility and fire power but even this can be coped with by using a pistol because of the exposed gunner.

Nothing to worry about with INS

Stick close, don't hunt the enemy - ambush them!

AT men do not have other weapons drawn. They stay with their RPGs ready to fire.

This is how we roll.

Insurgenct play could benefit alot from these changes - it should be easier and less difficult to lead.

Alucard wrote:considering one RPG-7 round will get a bradly smoking or tracked or a stryker smoking or tracked even in the front armor half the time this will happen the SPG-9 techie will just have to flank strykers or bradly's and kill them one shot in the rear.

Alucard wrote: EDIT: also someone told me that the INS would get sighted RPG's however its not that rare the tali's did get sighted RPG's even in the 80's when the russians invaded last i checked or am i mistaken

[R-DEV]Jaymz wrote:It's not that simple. You need to know the range to target and use the appropriate BDC line on the reticle to hit it. Or, you can fire and adjust the second shot. The sight doesn't have much zoom either and both the vehicles you mentioned have thermal sights.



There's dozens of different types they'd have their hands on. Apparently they have a lot of Chinese copies (ones with carrying handles and ridges).

[R-DEV]Jaymz wrote: There's dozens of different types they'd have their hands on. Apparently they have a lot of Chinese copies (ones with carrying handles and ridges).

range doesn't matter if the .50 cal gunner has been sniped off the tank the tank has taken 2 RPG hits and is about to RTB and you flank the tank within 50m's of it cause it doesn't see you as it retreats and BAM range does not matter

joethepro36 wrote:That's a giant what if right there you know. Even with the changes a tank will be effectively invincible vs rockets.

CCCode wrote:The scoped RPG is for russia not the insurgents afaik...

ryan d ale wrote:
There's a few things we have to remember as insurgents:-

1. We don't have scoped rifles
2. We have less accuracy
3. No guided munitions.
4. No Realtime Surveillence.
5. No CAS.
6. Insurgent groups operate in DEFENCE. You don't fight the Iraqi Insurgency in your home town in the USA. Even if they had the chance, most insurgents wouldn't.
7. The Russians made the SPG - 9. Do you know what the Anti Tank doctrine was (or still might be)?
8. Dont have any thermal device, or armor/chopper.
9. Do not have all the kit requestable.

Hunt3r wrote:..Yeah, you guys have to remember that tanks now have FLIR. You almost have no chance of remaining hidden if the gunner or driver is on FLIR and sees you. In other words, life will be harder for the PR Insurgent. You will have to ambush with drive-bys, and also ambushing. Waiting for the enemy to come to you, instead of going to the enemy.

Alucard wrote:it seems to me that 0.95 has turned INS into a noob heaven type of scenario before you had to use tactics to tank tanks out either distract a tank with a fake car then bomb car it from the back or use 2-3 RPG's at the same time firing at the same time killing the tank. but now we have placable SPG-9's,SPG-9 techies,Sighted RPG's,mortars (agreed mortars will take time to master and aren't too noobie) but is it just me or am i the only one concerned about this.

theflidgeface wrote:very well said, I'm sure Insugents RPG's will be picked off right and left with the new thermals. So our armor will be nice & safe

[R-DEV]Chuc wrote:That being said, stuff like IEDs remain cold and undetectable by thermal vision..

Hunt3r wrote:Which is why armor should stay cross-country and avoid going onto roads at all cost?