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PatrickLA_CA wrote:I agree that mortars ruined a part of PR, In my opinion they should be even MORE limited and to have less ammo and to take more time to rearm.

+1
I totally agree

GoreZiad wrote:i like running into mortar fire as civi and becomming martyr.

Oh
About that whole martyr thing ,.....
It seems there was a problem with translation ....you now get 72 crystal vases full of VIRGIN olive oil.
Carry on.

PatrickLA_CA wrote:I agree that mortars ruined a part of PR, In my opinion they should be even MORE limited and to have less ammo and to take more time to rearm.

This and this:

GoreZiad wrote:i like running into mortar fire as civi and becomming martyr.

I'm personally a big advocate for a mortar spam nerf.

Mortars are fine in most things. Ammo, range (except 1 km map, where IMO they shouldn't be allowed, as they are quite heavy asset), firepower, etc. - all are balanced.

One thing is not. The spotter system. When they showed it to us, it seemed as yet another perfect teamwork oriented asset, hell, even calculator menu has text "range and elevation has to be confirmed by spotter" or something like that. The truth is you can spam them without any hesitation and any problem on most places on the map just by constantly putting firemission marker on your head. It is not a problem on 4km map, but it is on smaller especially 1 km. And with 3rd party software this is even more easy.


Disallowing mortars in DoD and more dependence on spotter system would be nice thing to see in future.

Spartan0189 wrote:Well, from my observations, when .95 first came out, I noticed EVERYONE tried doing mortars, but lately, I've noticed mortars have been used scarcely, and when they are used, they are usually pretty accurate, without tools, from my understanding.

Otherwise, if they annoy you so much, you should go on a mortar hunt, and hope the mortars aren't in the DoD.

I agree with Spartan.

my only issue is Mortar squads....rarely anyone calls in Fire Missions because they are to busy with other things so mortar squads tend to just sit there waiting, not doing anything productive.

Mortars have been JUST introduced with this version. I don't think their evolution is complete. I was pleasantly suprised at the simplicity of setting the range for the mortar fire. I read the tuts and watched a vid and though it was going to be more difficult than it is.

I think the "ruined the game and must be nerfd" argument should be looked at from a real life standpoint. Is it realistic they can fire as much and often as they do in game?

I find the mortars more of an annoyance than a threat. If they don't hit you head on they rarely do any damage except blow up any vehicles in the area. to you. Sure you have to retreat and sit inside a building, but the mortars don't penetrate most bulidings so you just have to sit on the other side of any wall.

Tim270 wrote:Using a app/spreadsheet only takes off say 20-30 seconds on doing the maths yourself. You still have to slew the mortar and range it in. The round also has flight time so there is no real insta shooting with the mortars.

It's not part of the game and using a different app isnt exactly fair play.

Tim270 wrote:Send a forward observer to locate the enemy mortars position. If no visual can be achieved go by sound and call in counter-battery or area attack.

That is not a good enough answer I'm afraid. Using sound alone would take you most of the game to find and destory the motar unless you got extremly lucky. And what to do if it's in the DoD?

Tim270 wrote:Nearly all static objects offer cover from mortar strikes. A lot of the destructible statics still have partial walls you can hide behind. Apcs about? Report it to your team. Call in a bomb car. Request a RPG from the cache. Sneak up on it and RKG it
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Erm.. No, the blast still causes injury to you while you are sat hiding in a building. I also very much doubt that a team is going to come and help you while there is an Apc about. Another team is going to come running into an open area that has been destroyed my mortar, only to be killed by the same Apc? Dont think so. The only chance you have got is the bomb car but that's a big ask since most of them get killed anyways by the Apc.

In conclusion, being an insurgent sucks.

You have shitty weapons and is constantly under fire.

All you can do is get civies to run into mortar fire.

Totally unbalanced.'


OH WAIT...!

Mortars are very good right now. I can't say that there is the problem with constant spam or something , besides i find it pretty cool to be under mortar fire if you have X-Fi and good surround sound system =()

It's not part of the game and using a different app isnt exactly fair play.

All is fair in love and war, its called constructive thinking, we would still be using rocks as weapons if someone didn't play fair.

That is not a good enough answer I'm afraid. Using sound alone would take you most of the game to find and destory the motar unless you got extremly lucky.

Being lucky is half of Project Reality

Erm.. No, the blast still causes injury to you while you are sat hiding in a building. I also very much doubt that a team is going to come and help you while there is an Apc about. Another team is going to come running into an open area that has been destroyed my mortar, only to be killed by the same Apc? Dont think so. The only chance you have got is the bomb car but that's a big ask since most of them get killed anyways by the Apc.

Then don't spawn there

Johncro wrote:All is fair in love and war, its called constructive thinking, we would still be using rocks as weapons if someone didn't play fair

Then maybe we should all start looking for aimbots and other cheats then.

Johncro wrote: Being lucky is half of Project Reality

Shouldn't be about luck this game should be about skills. All becomes rather pointless when it's based on luck alone.

Johncro wrote:Then don't spawn there

The whole point of the game is to defend the cache, so where would you suggest respawning? Do we all just ignore some of the caches and let the other team take them?

Potilas wrote:Being inside static object u are not in safe from mortar fire. Huh, that makes me wanna hit the esc button.

this is what i dont like about the mortars also. i pretty much understand that assets and players get damaged when a mortar hits on top of or close to the most regular buildings within PR. the problem is that the mortar damage goes thru bunker walls also, and thats what i really do not understand about it (plus the fact that you can build working mortars within buildings).

the problem with mortars set in the DoD can easily be solved by good server administration or rules which simply prohibit setting mortars within DoDs or main base areas (e.g. GB main @ Basrah).

Then maybe we should all start looking for aimbots and other cheats then.

Have fun getting banned then.

Shouldn't be about luck this game should be about skills.

50% luck 40% Skills 10% Misc

The whole point of the game is to defend the cache, so where would you suggest respawning? Do we all just ignore some of the caches and let the other team take them because there is noway to defend them?

Not thinking again....go to main grab something to defend the cache....DURP

Johncro wrote:Have fun getting banned then.

Well if other apps are allowed why not get things to counter them, like other apps etc.

Johncro wrote:50% luck 40% Skills 10% Misc

Where did you get them statistics from

Johncro wrote:Not thinking again....go to main grab something to defend the cache....DURP

Not reading what I have said. So you go to main base grab yourself an RPG, bomb car and head of where exactly? To a place that has been flattened and has an apc sat waiting for you, or do you head of to the DoD to look for the motar? Maybe that's your tactic but not mine

Mortars are fine like this.
They're an excellent addition to PR.

To those whining they're ruining gameplay : Adapt.
Remember when the spawn system was modified? Many whined, most adapted, and the latter enjoyed winning the challenge of a harsher gameplay.

PR is not just a typical corridor shooter ; Think.
If you're under fire from and APC, adapt, react by having RPGs and SPGs or even bomb cars to take it out while you're under decent cover. Prevent armor incursions with IEDs in strategic areas. Etc.

Mortars aren't different, just another threat to adapt to.
If mortars are hitting your position, send hunting teams or try to find the mortar-site location then pummel it with your own mortar-site. Most of the times I was a mortarman, we had to relocate because they were bombarding us and we couldn't find their location.
If the enemy mortar site is far away from their main, ambush the logistic line with IEDs.

It's just another aspect of PR, and PR favors the most organized team. You may have lost to a better organized team, thus why you were overwhelmed. I've had rounds where we held caches under mortar fire, constant infantry attacks and APC support, and we succeeded in straining the enemy enough to win. It wasn't a cave, it was a villa in the open and the cache was quite vulnerable.

Even as an insurgent, I don't find mortars to be such a problem.

I think they contribute highly to the atmosphere of warfare and realism in the game.

Whenever I see footage of combat, I see a lot of random explosions going off, and plumes of smoke wisping into the air.

Before mortars, I rarely saw such things, only seeing a few grenades or RPG's or rockets or artillery strikes RARELY go off.

But in real life, people use mortars, and mortars are used to soften up enemy positions before an assault. So too bad, you're experiencing virtually soldiers face in combat.

Well if other apps are allowed why not get things to counter them, like other apps etc.

Again have fun being banned

Where did you get them statistics from

From 3 years of playing PR, how long have you played?

Not reading what I have said. So you go to main base grab yourself an RPG, bomb car and head of where exactly? To a place that has been flattened and has an apc sat waiting for you. Maybe that's your tactic but not mine

Again links in with Skill and luck.

Johncro wrote:Again have fun being banned.

You're the one who said: "All is fair in love and war." I said no apps should be used remember? I said everyone else might aswell us them in response to your answer.

Johncro wrote:From 3 years of playing PR, how long have you played?.

Since it came out, but this is a new patch now and them statistics count for nothing since there have been many more things added to the game since then.

Johncro wrote:Again links in with Skill and luck.

This didn't really answer the last question.

jackcr wrote:You're the one who said: "All is fair in love and war." I said no apps should be used remember? I said everyone else might aswell us them in response to your answer.

There is a very fine line in a game my friend, once you find it tell me.

It's too bad insurgents don't get mortars and ammo technicals......



Might I suggest getting your team to build some mortars and counterbattery? I personally love the mortars, I don't find them unbalanced at all, and I think they greatly improve teamplay. Just yesterday I talked a mortar onto a group of US infantry on Kokan, it reminded me how awesome PR is.

In conclusion, I'd like to say that if they're shooting at you with mortars, shoot back!