Remove Bayonets

[Doc.Pock]

what would be cooler is if you can stab and fire in the same weapon, but not possible

Hmm will it be possible in the C4 engine? maybe like CoD(dont flame me) with [v] when you can still shoot.

[Death_dx]

I have yet to hear of a situation in modern warfare where soldiers have gotten into a "knife fight" like in the movies, it probably happens but very rare. Bayonets on the other hand are used much more, since for starters, they are fixed BEFORE soldiers get into a situation when they need them, hence the term "fix bayonets" which in the movies you even see them do that before they get into combat. As such, by the time your in combat, whats easier, to stab a guy with a bayonet already on the end of your rifle with long reach, or to fiddle about trying to get your knife out, running up close to the guy while trying to avoid being hit by the butt of his rifle and stab him?

Isn't the point that bayonets take a relatively long time to get out in PR?
Using a knife in PR makes more sense for gameplay and realism since the only options with bayonets are:
1) Animation of fixing bayonet every time you switch to it, timely and unrealistic to have to do this multiple times.
2) Gun with bayonet always fixed and no fixing anim on bayonet, obviously unrealistic to have it always fixed.

[Bringerof_D]

engine limitation, obviously the best option we all see and even the devs probably saw was that we can shoot and if necesary start stabbing within the same weapon slot, however due to the BF2 engine being unable to fire two different projectiles from the same weapon, it is impossible. problem with beyonets are it's not something you fumble with in an emergency to use, it's something you prep before you need it.

2) Gun with bayonet always fixed and no fixing anim on bayonet, obviously unrealistic to have it always fixed.

And defeats the main fun in us having them...we dont get to yell "FIX BEYONETS!!!!!!! CHAAAAAAAAAAAARGE!"

[Herbiie]

Tbh it's such a small part of the game that it shouldn't have much time spent on it - you run out of ammo and an enemy is rushing towards you. So what? If you're playing PR Properly one of your 5 squad mates shoots him. Knives are only really used for fun stealth kills.

[Rissien]

Game limitation or not, id still rather have the bayonet. I prefer that extra reach.

[DeltaFart]

Honestly I'd like to have a melee where its a quicker transition and just smash them in the face
Granted I mostly have to melee when bot rushes me in a building and chases me around while I reload or take that time to put the bayonet on

[karambaitos]

the swipe and stab that the soldier does with both the knife and bayonet would in IRL cut you up and then it would stab you but in PR the damage is only delivered by the stab which is unrealistic, but i guess its a BF2 engine problem i liked knifes and bayonets before the change i found them useful when out of ammo now you will have a better chance to go on and reload then try and stab (especially with the whole hit reg)

anyway i dont think they should be removed they have a bit of an advantage over the knife and the time that has been put into them (also the GL kind of animations would be nice on the bayonet)

[Tarranauha200]

In pr "spray and pray" does the same job as bayoned.

[BenHamish]

... Knives are only really used for Xfun stealth killsX snipers.

Fixed.

# Grins #

[PoisonBill]

[blues&royalsdylan]

Pfft, bayonets are used a hell of a lot..

[blues&royalsdylan]

Because Saving Private Ryan is a realistic example of fighting, let alone knife fighting.

[DeltaFart]

heard of editing your posts rather than double positng?
just saying pffft bayonets are used a hell of a lot doesn't add to the conversation you're like that one kid who parrotted what one guy said in sand lot

[Punkbuster]

I don't use knives and Bayonets that much...
TBH the first time I used them in 0.95 was yesterday when I was a Taliban soldier on Korengal valley and I went to an area looking over the US main base and I found a whole enemy squad there!
I shot 3 guys with my AK but then I ran out of bullets so I stabbed the other 3 while they dived thinking I was far shooting at them lol!

[eMeRgEnCyLeMoN]

Although it would appear kind of odd, why not just have bayonets permanently fixed on the guns they can be fixed on?

That way, when you press "1" to switch, only the animation of repositioning your gun would play, and they would be A LOT easier to use for their intended purpose. Melee fighting in warfare nowadays only occurs as a quick reaction or last resort, the current mounting of bayonets makes it useless for those purposes.

[DeltaFart]

to be honest teh long animations just degenerate the gameplay to vanilla knife fight standards, circling around
Though I did use the AKM bayonet somewhat well today on Asad Khal, some IDF guy was shooting into the house and I ran out and stabbed him in the back cause my ammo was out

[BenHamish]

Video from saving private ryan

Hmm, I think we can all agree that this Hollywood clip proves the point that knives should replace bayonets.

Good post sir.