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Not to be a fuss, but maybe a frontal plate for protection would be a good compromise. Something like the M-113 has here.



It would protect the gunner from errant small arms fire. Of course if there is no real proof that the PLA incorporates this in real life, then don't bother changing it. I'll keep a look out and post if I see anything.

the PLA dont use anything like that on this...

i don't think its necessary. having protection from the back is so much better, and plus if there is a 12.7mm MG pointing at you i don't think your going to win the fight if your on the ground.

ReapersWarrior wrote:i don't think its necessary. having protection from the back is so much better, and plus if there is a 12.7mm MG pointing at you i don't think your going to win the fight if your on the ground.

Very valid point. I imagine that guns going to deliver a heck of a lot of suppressive fire. I suppose the key will be not staying in the same spot for too long.

Dr2B Rudd wrote:He can duck yea? so I can't really think of much that can get him when he does that.

duck all the time and then to get shot while he pops up? or should it never stand still and therefor never be abel to hit anything?

Mary.au wrote:As stated before, and the humvee/vodnik's aren't?

they are, and their gunners are constantly getting killed. constantly.
i know what kind of duties the apcs and ifvs in the game has. it's transporting enemies and moving with infantry and providing cover, allowing them to move in. how will that be a proper role if i can't stand still and let my gunner lay down accurate fire without him getting killed?

cyberzomby wrote:Yea I think hes one of the more protected gunners from all vehicles

i take that as a joke. at least littlebirds and open type jeeps benefit from moving. like i said, an apc, when defending a squad and firing, is all about static of slow movement.

ReapersWarrior wrote:i don't think its necessary. having protection from the back is so much better, and plus if there is a 12.7mm MG pointing at you i don't think your going to win the fight if your on the ground.

people will shoot that gunner out 24/7. why?
1. he doesn't shoot at what he can't see, as in a prone guy with scope.
2. he can't find the guy that easily case he doesn't have optics like other apcs
3. he will get a supression effect as soon as people fire at him, cause he's open, limiting his vision even more.

transporting friendlies* hahaha
it's 3:30 am, but i hope you understood that

Agreed with hiberNative.

Replacing WZ551 with WZ551A on Qwai will result in US raping PLA hard. Noone gonna want to gun this thing, when the second he stops he's getting killed.

And why APCa aren't used for transporting troops? Because stopping in a field to pickup/drop infantry for more than 3s equals being destroyed by some kind of AT. Extracting friendlines from battlefield takes too long, as they are usually too slow and you end up honking angrily, acting as L-AT magnet. Secondly, people dislike being passengers in APC, as it's like sitting in a coffin. I'm (and I think it's not only me) feel very anxious, as I can get killed any second and can do shit with it, people in pubs are not dependable, they can drop you in front of 10 rifles pointed at you. It's just much more risky than going on foot and being 100% in control of what is going on with you.

lol, the WZ551A has not replaced the WZ551 as mentioned many times in this topic including in the first post, its an addition. In r/l these are used ALONG SIDE the WZ551 and are so again ingame.

I'm sure all the Beta and Stress testers who have already tried this will agree with me that if a WZ551A and a Stryker go head to head without any infantry or other APC support, it just turns into a big stalemate. All that can happen is if the gunner of the WZ551A looks strait at the Stryker then he can get shot out, but if he looks away from it or ducks, there is no chance he can be hit by one. The only way our beta testers found one of them could win without any other APCs or infantry involved, was by simply each APC ramming each other until one finally blew up.

Now providing the WZ551A stays with a infantry squad, or a WZ551, or both like it really should, then it will have no problems at all unless its ambushed by a H-AT or something.

But yes, going by memory on Qwai right now, there is 3x WZ551s and 3x WZ551As.

love the look of the 50.cal

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:The only way our beta testers found one of them could win without any other APCs or infantry involved, was by simply each APC ramming each other until one finally blew up.

Or if the WZ crew tricks the Stryker to chase it into the river.

ohhh, or you could ram the Stryker off the bank of the river into the water

I hope we can see the USMC's AAV7 in the furture

Pvt.King wrote:I hope we can see the USMC's AAV7 in the furture

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f66-pr ... vp7a1.html

I hope too

looks cool. hw will this be balanced to the stryker? seeing as 1 is open topped and the other is not?

XxX_HangMan_XxX wrote:looks cool. hw will this be balanced to the stryker? seeing as 1 is open topped and the other is not?

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:I'm sure all the Beta and Stress testers who have already tried this will agree with me that if a WZ551A and a Stryker go head to head without any infantry or other APC support, it just turns into a big stalemate. All that can happen is if the gunner of the WZ551A looks strait at the Stryker then he can get shot out, but if he looks away from it or ducks, there is no chance he can be hit by one. The only way our beta testers found one of them could win without any other APCs or infantry involved, was by simply each APC ramming each other until one finally blew up.

Now providing the WZ551A stays with a infantry squad, or a WZ551, or both like it really should, then it will have no problems at all unless its ambushed by a H-AT or something.

But yes, going by memory on Qwai right now, there is 3x WZ551s and 3x WZ551As.

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Pvt.King wrote:I hope we can see the USMC's AAV7 in the furture

One is currently being moddeled.

this looks amazing

Its looks like u were pretty busy, u are making marvelous patch for even better team play. I solute u.
But I have one question. And it is about this:

"-added new medic system, after being revived player has a 60s timer, if shot again within this 60s timer, player is killed instead of critically wounded."

I like to know if u were shot down and u Have been healed to max, it still counts 60s for kill shot or this is working only when medic healing u and u dont have max healt.

Sorry for my English
thanks in advance

Ca6e wrote: I like to know if u were shot down and u Have been healed to max, it still counts 60s for kill shot or this is working only when medic healing u and u dont have max healt.

yay, another Slovenian.
Yes, if you are revived and you get shot again in the next minute, you're dead regardless of health status, I'd assume.

Outlawz wrote:yay, another Slovenian.

Bloody hell. xD

On-topic: Is this tin can going to be amphibious, or will we still have chance of seeing bold crewmans flying into river?