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Jevski wrote:And my suggestion. Close down the feedback thread. Lately they have been nothing more than a growing cesspool for trolls with zero action from the moderators.

ksof wrote:You've banned the WHOLE UKRAINE from your forum. Tell me about being serious.

Not the whole, one provider in southern part of Kiev still have access

Somewhy it happened day after you banned two ukrainian players and they came to your forum. Coincidence? The reference for the bans was the existance of conflict between players and admins. Looking on PRTA forum's "drama" like you say you assumed to ban people from all Ukraine (including two banned "problematic" guys) so they can't speak to you and ask questions.

I'm not even gonna get into this.
But admins constantly saying that they should close a thread are just afraid and can't really defend themselves apparently.

There's a lot of stories about why EU1 /2 etc split up, but that's totally irrelevant to the KIA situation. Anyways, the fact that PRTA apparently caused KIA to leave (together with Rpoxo) is truly an accomplishment, since KIA has always been the unit that never got involved in any drama at all. It's hard to believe that they really wanted all this drama this time.

Anyways reflection isn't the strongest point for a lot of people around here (inb4 myself jokes).
Think we should get back on the server feedback rather then all the management related subjects that are being thrown around here, that's simply not serving anyone.

Oh well my plan of trying to tidy up this thread backfired baaadly.

Why don't you just shut down PRTA and all go play on Merk, NEW or NWA so everyone can give Jevski some grief instead?

Seriously donate the cash from the 4 PRTA servers to PR, which hasn't got hardly any cash the last few months, anyway anyone that still wants to be a helpful admin go and join whichever community takes it over - I cant join NWA because old PB bans in 2008 which doesn't show up anymore.

Anyway it does liven up the forums a lot.

PS Can I please become a mod so much fun to be had in this thread I wanna ban Wicca pls pls pls.

I know these server feedback forums aren't meant to be a place for drama.

But seeing as this is a feedback thread and seeing that this is a multiplayer game in which users experience may totally depend upon the quality of server management then I do have to say that I'm against the "keep calm and carry on" attitude suggested by Ploddit. It's better to hear the truth, no matter how harsh it can be.

But what is the truth and how can we determine it? For example, in the KIA situation. Theoretically server admins don't have the burden of proof within these forums and therefore in this case the truth may be biased towards the "offender" who has posted his side of story (a video is "proof enough") - e.g., by reading through the drama I'm more inclined to think that there was a breach in admin rights (also that situation with the crate and following kill command that supposedly happened - this hasn't been proven by anyone though).

And seeing as the involved admins doesn't seem to be keen on resolving this one way or another, and also knowing the fact that a whole clan just left the server (which is kind of a big deal to be honest) - note that people don't just leave their "home" because of an isolated incident or two. But maybe there are such people? Who knows.

Anyway, in the end I'm more "for" this kind of feedback then "against" it as in my experiences through out the years with server admiring and player posts in server feedback thread, is that most of the times the players who write here (don't confuse them with people who just come here on a revenge-wish or something like that) about a certain server are correct. And in the end it doesn't matter if some of the people came with lies, as a bad server with bad staff is going to crumble anyway. So I say - let the evolution do its work.

Disclaimer: I'm not on anyones side - I'm just pointing out the (at least for me) obvious things and analyzing the info and responses as well as the mannerisms in these responses (as the way people write sometimes tell a lot about the topic they're writing about).

Ploddit, I truly get the "against rules" argument, but in the end aren't we justified to express our opinion about such a public factor as a public PR server, even if the opinion is considered a "bad rep" for the server (especially if it helps others to negate the potentially cancerous server, and as you noted - just try another one of those great EU servers?)? It's a matter of trying to siphon out the truth from the given information (and the knowledge of the fact that in the end it's not about the truth, but the fact that there seem to be some kind of problem within the server as, in this case, quite a large clan (and probably their buddies) have left the server, not to mention other reports about really bad admining. Although one has to account for all of the info, so I have to note that there were some positive critique. But mainly - no.

I have very few issues with this thread, it's fun, but change the rules of this part of the forum to be polite and no expletives or something.

What I don't understand that if PRTA is so awful these days with some admins making rash wrong decisions and seemingly not being sacked or reprimanded why is the server still populated?

There must be enough people that enjoy playing there? Some people don't like NWA - others don't like NEW I suspect but this **** has being going on soooo long with PRTA I'm simply amazed anyone can be bothered 'working' with it anymore

That's the same thing I was wondering - why people even bother when there are real alternatives. I mean, I never had problems with NWA/NEW/MERK server staff so I even when I was an admin in PRTA (back when you were), I remember sometimes choosing to play in one of these other servers because of a simple fact - I could sometimes recall more player names in their PR Spy section compared to PRTA's (everyone knows everyone likes to play with better known players). And I've played there quite a bit (not so much in NEW, but almost all games I've had there we're great [if teams weren't stacked]) and never had any problems.

If it's true, and PRTA's not struggling with players in the default uptime hours, but my other 3 mentioned servers are - then people must be insanely stupid or masochistic.

Mouthpiece wrote:It's better to hear the truth, no matter how harsh it can be.

But what is the truth and how can we determine it?

The truth is subjective from every individual's perspective.

I've played Project Reality since 2007 and have never been banned from a server yet I see the same names crop up time and time again in PRTA's ban appeal section. You'd be forgiven for falling for theatrics that PRTA must have a vendetta against some players... Until you learn that those players have also quickly gotten themselves banned elsewhere too.

Maybe, just maybe, it's those players - and if they were to reflect on "what did I do to deserve this" they might just learn something and prevent it happening again in the future?

Since it's founding I've seen PRTA as a venerable dreadnought of the PR community. It's not as big as it once was, but it's still standing when others have fallen, and are falling and as a player who keeps myself to myself and plays within the rules, I can genuinely say I've never experienced nor witnessed unfairness at play on that server; and presumably neither have the other hundreds of players that keep it populated at all hours of the day and all days of the week.

Again - maybe it's players?

Heskey wrote:The truth is subjective from every individual's perspective.

Again - maybe it's players?

This is a recorded footage that proves Geekius as a liar.

Geekius wrote:[18:35 SQUAD 2 ] [GIS+] ARC*touly90: !r mehason tried to lat us in main

The mehason report was false, hence why it was in your player watch file, and not mehasons. I dont edit chatlog to hide up that fact. It was you, you were kicked for it, and the battlerecorder shows raubtier. I figured to include it in the interest of showing we actually check that someone is breaking the rules before we act.


Geekius
Senior Administrator
PR EU
PRTA

Also, just to prove that Geekius is a liar

https://youtu.be/XcQo9NdKJCI?t=73

And please, don't tell me that he is blind, we already know that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL8-RQos6U0

Heskey wrote:
Again - maybe it's players?

exectly, players.

i show you some situation.

teammates playing before rules about FKS and SL with SL kit.thay had been kicked.
Closed - GRC_SF Ducky21 Admin Report by mehason | PRTA - Project Reality Teamwork Alliance

admins playing in FKS sq without SL kit. AFTER rules about fks and SL. all normal
Processing - Geekius Player Report by Chuva_RD | PRTA - Project Reality Teamwork Alliance

and we have more example. where admins bulling for every small reason KIA but dont bulling themselves or other people in the same situation.

I've played Project Reality since 2007 and have never been banned from a server

Before prta admins turned to cas whores , or cas whores joined admins team i never was kicked/banned too

Yes, seems like typical biased targeting-individual-members/clansmen.

I remember that there was this R-DEV who was also an admin (wasn't he in the "lead" spot for quite a time?) in PRTA. Damn, he was one stupid *** racist sunovvabitch as for every reason our team fucked up he found an excuse - that "the fucking poles" did it, not to mention the from 1, to 5 minute interval of "fucking polish people" (back then there was a noticable polish subcommunity within the community of PR, but IIRC most of them left for similar reasons - had to do something with assets, maybe asset claiming methods that sucked or pissed off Wicca. Can't remember, it was at least 3-4 years ago.

Anyway, Geekius, in the humblest of opinions, you now have only two rational moves that are suggested (as a friendly sport):

a) if you really haven't made a mistake and the KIA are fabricating the facts, then you should roast their asses from this place and from PRTA ASAP. Accussing an admin of Geekius proportions for such low deeds... it's like trying to inspire a riot or a mass suicide as a sect leader who has been faking it all the time. So if you've done that, you should be ashamed of yourselves. I mean - the man's all in all is volunteering his free time and effort for other peoples joy and chance of playing in the PRTA server. If you're intel fabricators, guys from KIA, you should be banned and forgotten about.
b) if you have made a mistake and EVEN if you don't think that you did... only thing that's coming to mind is an idea that you have to stop listening to your own reasoning for few minutes and try to see the point, only try to totally immerse yourself in the idea that you are not Geekius but some Belorussian tractor factory technician who happens (happened) to be in a group of people who just left "your server" and who had a quarrel with Geekius (not you, but your former self) because they didn't like his admining style and the possibility that he targeted one of them with admining tools on purpose.

Now... to continue this or not to continue this post? I just want people to understand - why would a whole clan leave a server and lie about it? They're too shy to actually say to Geekius that they didn't like PRTA as it wasn't as tacticool as [NEW] or something like that. And instead of being honest, they made up these fake stories, posts and acted in PR videos just to burn Geekius? (after leaving the server and therefore not caring about it; though it feels that at least they care about the community by letting us know) .

Disclaimer: I'm not on anyones side, I'm just analyzing and interpreting info in my own unique way that I like. I hope noone is gonna get bothered by it because I hate editing posts to change my tone

PLODDITHANLEY wrote:What I don't understand that if PRTA is so awful these days with some admins making rash wrong decisions and seemingly not being sacked or reprimanded why is the server still populated?

When 1.3 came out Cobra Mall Security was popped every day for a week with no admins, baserape allowed, racism everywhere, mass TKing...
People only want to play the game and will join any populated server to do so. A server has to be unimaginably bad to be unable to populate.

[R-CON]LiamBai wrote:When 1.3 came out Cobra Mall Security was popped every day for a week with no admins, baserape allowed, racism everywhere, mass TKing...
People only want to play the game and will join any populated server to do so. A server has to be unimaginably bad to be unable to populate.

Why is it so hard for others to get populated then?
Not that I am stupid. I get your point and sure people mostly join whatever server is populated. Still though, the reason why PRTA is populated lies within our community itself. We care about our server and we care about it being populated. We also care about the quality on our server, no matter what accusations and 'proofs' have been presented here.

After reading the last 6 pages there is one thing I can identify as a pattern. All of you who paint our community in the most terrible picture imaginable have had issues with us and have been removed or resigned from our community for various reasons. It's crystal clear that the only intention between this posts is to bring us down. A lot of people tried that in the past and even more failed with this agenda. PRTA has been called dead so many times that it even comes close to how often PR itself has been called dead. Still though we are here and still our community consists out of several hundred members who are more then happy to be in our community. If we are even close to be as bad as these few names showing up here constantly then literally no one would be part of us nor play on our server.

Alright, I am not going to dig into the issues with KIA. This is a server feedback thread and not '10 things about prta on 5 pages'. KIA is pissed beyond recognition about us and this directly reflects in the posts they made here. You all can take this as you whish. I can't control opinions nor can I control posts made here. Sure I would like to stop this shitstorm but it is not in my hands.

I appreciate MineralWouters and PLODDITS attempts to calm the situation. I do think though at this point it is simply not possible. It's very basic psychology. A group of people is mad and they get joined by people who are also mad at us and just see this as a welcome opportunity to vent some even older anger. Well, I mentioned this above already. Its the same names over and over again. I'd like to repeat what I alreay said to many individuals quite often in the past: "You wanted to leave. Now go away!"
Well, that's a dream which will never come true but honestly, I don't see managers or senior contributors from PRTA joining your communities forums or your communities threads on '3rd party' forums (sorry realitymod...it's not meant like that^^) and try to talk your servers down ALL THE F****** TIME.
What does that say about us and what does that say about you? Who really is 'evil' and who really is biased?


You wanna know why we don't do that? We just don't care too much. We are more then happy to see other communities in Project Reality. We love the diversity and we love to help others in getting their thing done. I personally gave my experience and my knowledge about running PR servers to a few of these new people we see on the server list nowadays. We at PRTA do that as we are open and friendly and just welcome to anyone in the PR world and it has always been like this ever since glorious Wicca created PRTA.
I mean I could go around and post how bad this and that server is or how dump their admins act but I don't do that and the same goes for PRTA as a whole. It is just not our style to flame others.


You all can draw you own conclusions out of this thread. Imo you just need to check the names on the last pages and compare them with those who complain on our forum about us and you'll realize in the vast majority it's the same people.


Generally admins are not perfect. They are human beings and they make mistakes. Overall though you can be assured to find an open mindet administration team open for constructive critizism. If you assume though it helps your case by calling us names then good luck.


This will be my one and only statement to this situation. KIA this thread is not a way to get your case on our agenda nor will it in any way help you getting your members unbanned. I highly recommend to stop with your actions.

I also would like to see all of you posting here to stop scaring those who would like to give positive feedback away. Anyone wanting to post something positive must be afraid of being crucified for doing it. PLODDIT is a good example. Maybe we can even get some help from realitymod moderators?


PRTA is around for so many years because of being one of the nicest and warmest places you can be no matter how hard you try to bend this around. Our members are a proof for that. PRTA is the home of a multicultural gaming community consisting out of members from all over the world, sharing the same goals. We are open for everyone, individuals and clans to join us.

Have a nice day and see you on the battlefield.


Yours sincerely
tobi

tobi-the-fraggel wrote:Why is it so hard for others to get populated then?
Not that I am stupid. I get your point and sure people mostly join whatever server is populated. Still though, the reason why PRTA is populated lies within our community itself. We care about our server and we care about it being populated. We also care about the quality on our server, no matter what accusations and 'proofs' have been presented here.

After reading the last 6 pages there is one thing I can identify as a pattern. All of you who paint our community in the most terrible picture imaginable have had issues with us and have been removed or resigned from our community for various reasons. It's crystal clear that the only intention between this posts is to bring us down. A lot of people tried that in the past and even more failed with this agenda. PRTA has been called dead so many times that it even comes close to how often PR itself has been called dead. Still though we are here and still our community consists out of several hundred members who are more then happy to be in our community. If we are even close to be as bad as these few names showing up here constantly then literally no one would be part of us nor play on our server.


Yours sincerely
tobi

master of the whole PR universe

Snap! You caught me. GG.

@tobi-the-frageel

Damn, you really got us there. Me and my army of server taking down, community hating and anarchy spreading goons. Sorry that this has come as far as where we, the conspirators, shall shed our skins and come out clean just to say to PRTA and the countless other communities that we're really, really sorry for causing any harm. And that we won't do this again. Why the sudden change of mind? We got too hyped about your Sherlock Holmes type-o' detective work and how hard you, as it seems, unknowingly (that there are so many of us) pretty much roasted us.

We're sorry, guys.

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But to be serious, I still have nostalgic good feeling about PRTA so I'm biased towards thinking "good things" about the server. Also the last times I played there (some time ago though) were decent with even few really good matches. And with no admin problems. So why should I partake in topic?

I am mainly here for the discussion about a server I care and would like to be great. I don't know how it's now, and I've never pointed out anything irrelevant about the quality of PRTA server or their admins. My intentions were only to point out some information given by both parties directly or indirectly (by not acknowledging a question, for example) and to see how for we can stretch the possibilities and consiquences. Maybe I'm a bit too focused on one side of the coin, but that's mostly based on the info that can be gathered by me (of course, I am a bad detective ).

So no bad feelings. How do the idiots say? #makePRgreatagain

PR is great. We all waste our time here. Well I don't think its time wasted. Less time on the forum gents, more time ingame!

Had some decent rounds last night. My squad got to rack up quite some kills and i also have to commend the Russian team on Saaremaa for not surrendering even though they got outcapped twice.
However the SL being forced to have officer rule is rather retarded. I get that you dont want snipers leading squads, but there are so many reasons to not run the officer kit especially in smaller squads. It also seems to be enforced rather randomly. During last 50 tickets on Saaremaa I got warned for using medic as SL of a 4 men squad (medic, breacher, AR, AA) while on the next round it never got mentioned when I used breacher as SL for whole round.
Stupid rule, no need to micro manage squads as an admin.

That started well

But how to stop the sniperz/1337/nocomms/freekits squads whilst letting other sensible? players run a squad without SL kits? The player base demands rigid black and white rules.

I can see your confusion - you broke the server rules and only got a !w in the last half an hour as a maybe bored admin was looking at the list, then the next round when you were again breaking the rules no one happened to be peering at the squad list looking for offenders. Or it was spotted and an admin thought:

a) It's Mats he knows what he's doing so I'll pretend I haven't noticed.
b) It's Mats he spends his free time helping the mod so I'll pretend I haven't noticed.
c) It's Mats he'll go and raise stink in the forums ... again so I'll pretend I haven't noticed.

There is a really simple solution - when you absolutely feel the need to run a squad without an SL kit don't go to the only? server where it is against the rules.

It maybe a silly rule or maybe it isn't but it is a rule. There.

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However the SL being forced to have officer rule is rather retarded. I get that you dont want snipers leading squads, but there are so many reasons to not run the officer kit especially in smaller squads. It also seems to be enforced rather randomly. During last 50 tickets on Saaremaa I got warned for using medic as SL of a 4 men squad (medic, breacher, AR, AA) while on the next round it never got mentioned when I used breacher as SL for whole round.
Stupid rule, no need to micro manage squads as an admin.[/quote]
[quote="PLODDITHANLEY""]
It maybe a silly rule or maybe it isn't but it is a rule.[/quote]
It wouldn't be a problem if rules would be consistently applied rather than used as an excuse to take actions against players.
But who cares about rules if admin can ban players even against rules?

PLODDITHANLEY wrote:But how to stop the sniperz/1337/nocomms/freekits squads whilst letting other sensible? players run a squad without SL kits? The player base demands rigid black and white rules.

Same way other servers do? Just resign free kit squads. It's not like this doesn't work on HOG or Based or wherever else.

While trying to stop no teamwork freekit squads is good, this rule is just not reasonable. There's even been the case of a senior admin leading a squad with a sniper kit one round; it simply doesn't make sense to always have an officer kit.