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even with something like a SAW? they are pretty heavy

Leaning exposes you guys. If your leaning around a corner your head and neck, and maybe upper torso will be exposed. I dont think theres anything to worry about if its incorperated.

[R-DEV wrote:DrZero]even with something like a SAW?

Of course.

would we at least make sniper rifles extremely inaccurate around corners? its not like you can look down the scope or anything

What do I want to be in this mod?
1:
true ironsights with "freeaim".
What's "freeaim"? you might wonder. Well, it's a way to aim where you can move the weaponmodel slightly before the rest of the screen moves.
Otherwise ironsight will just be a spectacular crosshair at the center of your screen.
The mod that has perfected this is http://infiltration.sentrystudios.net/.

2:
Better offline playability than current DC. While DC is pretty playable offline as it is its' AI lacks the proper handling of helos... Also, to make bots use real tactics on the field would be nice.

3:
Respawns
You can have a fixed number of respawns per map. Anywhere between, say, 3 and 5 and until you have used up that number of lives you will respawn at the nearest respawn point on the map from where you got killed last.
After that you could either be out of the game til the end of the map or you could have a new set of respawns but you will be spawned back at your main base.
Not realistic but gameplay needs to be preserved somehow.
One more option would be to allow the servers to set how many lives you get per map. That way you might get servers running with just 1 life per map!

4:
If possible make the weapons sound as they do in real life.

Ok, that's enough for this noob for now. I might get more nutty ideas later

Ugly Duck wrote:Leaning exposes you guys. If your leaning around a corner your head and neck, and maybe upper torso will be exposed. I dont think theres anything to worry about if its incorperated.

Yes it does, altho if you have people that snap in and out wile taking shots at you, its going to be frustrating. Soon many players are going to become very good and in every server you will have a guy that can pop out and smash a few guys while they arnt expecting it. All im saying is that altho that is what you want it for...soon people will have to lean around every corner and look, which will slow down the gameplay more then it allready is. Perhaps enabling the shooting around corners, but keeping it less accurate would be a good idea, i mean who wants a guy with a SAW shooting accuratly while he is leaning around corners? Everyone knows, that you wont be able to fire your gun as accurate while leaning around a corner..as well as you would standing in one spot.

Anti-}{ero wrote:

Ugly Duck wrote:Leaning exposes you guys. If your leaning around a corner your head and neck, and maybe upper torso will be exposed. I dont think theres anything to worry about if its incorperated.

Yes it does, altho if you have people that snap in and out wile taking shots at you, its going to be frustrating. Soon many players are going to become very good and in every server you will have a guy that can pop out and smash a few guys while they arnt expecting it. All im saying is that altho that is what you want it for...soon people will have to lean around every corner and look, which will slow down the gameplay more then it allready is. Perhaps enabling the shooting around corners, but keeping it less accurate would be a good idea, i mean who wants a guy with a SAW shooting accuratly while he is leaning around corners? Everyone knows, that you wont be able to fire your gun as accurate while leaning around a corner..as well as you would standing in one spot.

Actually, it's all about tactics and countertactics. Whenever you come across one who is "abusing" leaning, rather than amble down the street like it's a sunny sunday afternoon in Geriatrica, use what cover is available, use frogleaping to pin the offending "leaner" behind his wall so that your team can get to a point where they can neutralize the threat.
I mean, should firing be disabled while aiming with a sniper rifle just because it gives the sniper an unfair advantage?
No, use tactics to solve the problem rather than imposing technical restraints on the gamer.
The game is supposed to portray war, people die in war and as a gamer you will have to be aware that you could be a casualty. Unlike a real war, you will be back no later than the next map probably much sooner.

There is a problem here in this forum because some people think it is harder to aim while leaning around corners. It isn't.

BlakeJr wrote:

Anti-}{ero wrote:

Ugly Duck wrote:Leaning exposes you guys. If your leaning around a corner your head and neck, and maybe upper torso will be exposed. I dont think theres anything to worry about if its incorperated.

Yes it does, altho if you have people that snap in and out wile taking shots at you, its going to be frustrating. Soon many players are going to become very good and in every server you will have a guy that can pop out and smash a few guys while they arnt expecting it. All im saying is that altho that is what you want it for...soon people will have to lean around every corner and look, which will slow down the gameplay more then it allready is. Perhaps enabling the shooting around corners, but keeping it less accurate would be a good idea, i mean who wants a guy with a SAW shooting accuratly while he is leaning around corners? Everyone knows, that you wont be able to fire your gun as accurate while leaning around a corner..as well as you would standing in one spot.

Actually, it's all about tactics and countertactics. Whenever you come across one who is "abusing" leaning, rather than amble down the street like it's a sunny sunday afternoon in Geriatrica, use what cover is available, use frogleaping to pin the offending "leaner" behind his wall so that your team can get to a point where they can neutralize the threat.
I mean, should firing be disabled while aiming with a sniper rifle just because it gives the sniper an unfair advantage?
No, use tactics to solve the problem rather than imposing technical restraints on the gamer.
The game is supposed to portray war, people die in war and as a gamer you will have to be aware that you could be a casualty. Unlike a real war, you will be back no later than the next map probably much sooner.

War is also not fun, does that mean that we make this mod so that whoever actually plays it has no fun, and has to utilize tactics to get a "leaner" when he should have to just get behind somthing and have a shootout. In real war, you would never move in a known combat zone by yourself. You would always have men with you. BF:2 will have people that will want to go off by themselves. If the leaning and shooting was not implemented you wouldnt have to deal with "leaner abusers" in the first place. Leaning should be used to peak around corners, then you can pop out and provide cover fire as your squad moves to a position...u can also use grenades. I also belive it will incourage camping, i mean i can see people leaning around corners waiting for ment o come out of their point and unloading on them, and since the guys are cought off gaurd they get taken down, and have to wait a minute to spawn... i mean how fun is that gonna be, and how many people will it turn off from the game? I know that if i had to lean around every corner to make sure there wasnt a leaner it would piss me off.

I think any realism mod has to let you fire from cover. If you simply look at other games where you can do this, gameplay is not ruined. There's plenty of ways to counter a gunman who's leaning around a corner. Toss a grenade, go another route, flank him. I don't think it would be a problem. A game where every gunman has to be widely exposed would not be a realism mod IMO.

War is also not fun, does that mean tha ... s me off.

"Realism"
What kind of a game do you want? You don't want one based on realism that much is clear.
What you call camping other people call sniping and if they're defending a position it is a valid tactic to find a good spot from where to observe and counter any moves by the enemy. A true sniper would then try to relocate to a new spot to repeat the process.
You are right that in a real war noone would be moving around by themselves in a combatzone, neither SHOULD you in game. That is why we have teams. The ultimate gaming experience, I think, will come from clan matches where both clans have trained to use realistic tactics.
As with all team based shooters you simply can not get good teamplay, for lack of a better word, on a public server where everyone wants to play Rambo...
Leaning and shooting is not a problem. It will only slow you down a bit as you have to be more careful where you move and make sure you're not alone.

A game where every gunman has to be widely exposed would not be a realism mod IMO.

You speak the truth Alpha_Lima!

BlakeJr wrote:What you call camping other people call sniping and if they're defending a position it is a valid tactic to find a good spot from where to observe and counter any moves by the enemy.

With a tank? With only 1 flag taken. I do not call that "Sniping".

Anti-}{ero wrote:

BlakeJr wrote:What you call camping other people call sniping and if they're defending a position it is a valid tactic to find a good spot from where to observe and counter any moves by the enemy.

With a tank? With only 1 flag taken. I do not call that "Sniping".

I don't either, but that is one situation. You can solve that situation by not adding shooting around corners, but there are loads of situations where it's perfectly ok to lean around corners. And yes, then spawncamping can happen but you will just have to live with that.

And last and least, I don't really think a tank kan LEAN around a corner.

With a tank? With only 1 flag taken. I do not call that "Sniping".

Actually... Not all tankbattles are running ones. Just read any of Harold Coyle's books; Team Yankee, Sword Point, Bright Star, The Ten Thousand, etc and you will soon find out that a good prepared dug-out for the tank to drive into for cover and concealment is a valid tactic.
However, how this will work in game is another matter.

Also, someone "camping" in a tank isn't exactly invulnerable. To small arms, sure, but I believe we have some heavier firepower available in game plus you can call in air support to deal with the tank.

If theyre popping back and forth, just take aim at where theyre head pops out, its not like its gunna change, when theyre dumb enough to do it again shoot them in the face.

thats exactly the attitude you have to take when you play games like call of duty

Ugly Duck wrote:If theyre popping back and forth, just take aim at where theyre head pops out, its not like its gunna change, when theyre dumb enough to do it again shoot them in the face.

lol i like the way you think

about this leaning thing, i think this is definatley something we need. i mean i have played plenty of games and people that lean just almost make it easir to kill. think about it, while theyre hiding behind the wall your bringing your sights up to where his head just was he pops out and BANG hes down. whereas if he isnt hiding your under constant fire making shooitng him harder.

Bumlingfool56 wrote:about this leaning thing, i think this is definatley something we need. i mean i have played plenty of games and people that lean just almost make it easir to kill. think about it, while theyre hiding behind the wall your bringing your sights up to where his head just was he pops out and BANG hes down. whereas if he isnt hiding your under constant fire making shooitng him harder.

That assumes you've actually seen him in the first place and if you're a good enough player you won't lean out in the same place more than 2 - 3 times and even that might be 2 too many.

Leaning should work the same way jumping does. The motion of leaning around a corner/obstacle should lower your accuracy in the same way jumping does. This way leaning back and forth and spraying full auto is not a viable tactic. But if you are waiting at that corner and continue leaning your accuracy will get better, not to the point it would if you were just crouching but almost. So if you combine this with some common sence(like I posted before) I dont think it should be a problem.... at all.