PRTA EU2

[Kieb321]

It wouldn't be a problem if rules would be consistently applied rather than used as an excuse to take actions against players.
But who cares about rules if admin can ban players even against rules?

That's a lot of incorrect bans.

[camo]

wow, always a shame when you see stuff like that.
Also they let ducky21 be admin? jesus.

[disnoxxio]

wtf that rageban on the ''jet baserape'' with the tiger situation. That is some flawed shit over there.

[L4gi]

Welkam to PeeArTeeAy. Where even a proven cheater can become an admin/Community department assistant manager guy.

Chav.

[Cossack]

How about close the server, because this really does not show best performance of PR sever. 12 years old's having admin rights. This not violating server licence?

[Jamaican]

lol can this thread be taken seriously anymore? The obvious bias is painful to read.

[Heskey]

Agreed. Some shameful behaviour in here from people I've previously looked up to as community veterans in years gone by.

[disnoxxio]

But what about recognizing shamefull behaviour by some of your own members as well?

[Heskey]

The perceived wrongs of others isn't an excuse for people to behave like children in here, Dis. Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that jazz.

I'm not a PR:BF2 admin myself and it's certainly not my place to justify or defend the actions of those who are - but this thread is supposed to be about server feedback; and my feedback is that I enjoy playing here and I've never felt the hand of the admins, or experienced any 'bias' first-hand. The majority of posters on the last few pages on this thread however are either:

1. Venting frustrations about their bans here because their behaviour has removed their ability to legitimately do so through the "official channels", as it were, or:
2. Members of competing communities with servers of their own, who don't play on this server and aren't doing a great job of disguising their intent to run the name of this server through the gutter in the hope of having it taken down and thus, be no competition for their own.

Here's some truth:

1. We don't all have to agree. If we did, there wouldn't be different community servers on which we can all play.
2. There are 3 sides to every story; your story, their story - and the truth, which usually lies somewhere in the middle of the other two.
3. You can't please everyone.

Despite the slanderous attempts of some posters in recent weeks, it seems this server isn't in fact all that bad as it's always full during prime time and certainly doesn't fair any worse than any other server for seeding during off-peak.

If all these posts were true, it would be a ghost town; and it ain't - I think that speaks for itself.

So yes, Jamaica is right and I standby what I said - some people here should be ashamed of themselves. The PR playerbase continues to dwindle and some of you would love nothing more than to spend the twilight days of this glorious mod squabbling like we're on a reality TV show. They, and their toxic behaviour will be the death of this mod and its community.

[Yeahllingmann]

The perceived wrongs of others isn't an excuse for people to behave like children in here, Dis. Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that jazz.

But I thought that they were trying to prove them right. And instead of considering this a problem you're "ashamed of some people you thought were veterans". And like if it wasn't enough you think that them being upset with them being continuously oppressed for no apparent reason is childish? I don't know all the details but for me this story looks ugly.

If all these posts were true, it would be a ghost town; and it ain't - I think that speaks for itself.

It could be just a rumor but I've heard that lots of people left your community recently.

[Heskey]

I didn't say I was ashamed of them, I said they were displaying shameful behaviour.

I don't think being upset with people is childish, but I think hi-jacking a server feedback thread for their own repetitive ends lacks decorum, somewhat.

And what you say is no rumour - but it is very much old news (9 months old); and despite that; what you have quoted still stands. This thread has recently been littered with defamation, yet the server very much lives on, an in fact continues to grow - so my thanks to you for perfectly illustrating my point that no matter how many times the same handful of people shout and stamp their feet, it doesn't necessarily make what they are saying true.

Please don't read my posts and feel as though I am an official spokesperson for the PRTA community. I'm posting completely on my own back, here. Yes, I am a member of the PRTA community but I'm posting here as a player who plays on this server (which many of you criticising it do not), and my feedback thereof.

For what it's worth, I've no particular feelings towards anyone. I try to get on with everyone wherever I go; and I'm fairly confident in saying that most of you would agree with me that we've never bumped heads. I just wish everyone else could see that the global playerbase for PR is forever shrinking and we do ourselves no favours by constantly fragmenting and fracturing.

[rPoXoTauJIo]

I don't think being upset with people is childish, but I think hi-jacking a server feedback thread for their own repetitive ends lacks decorum, somewhat.

Using "official channels" were useless, f.e.:

Typical responses on the forums are

We have concluded our investigation and found that the problem/report bears no real consequences and merits little to no attention or repercussions from the senior and lead administrators.

Kinda pointless really

So why should i bother with coming to your forums and complain about things being against your own rules if they won't get handled properly anyway.
Therefor i just gave my feedback here so players would know where they playing.

Would not recommend playing on this server. Admins banning people for being good players and ignoring requests for proofs.

I very doubt that it's "shameful behaviour" to leave feedback that's not satisfies you.

rPoXoTauJIo
Leader
KIA EU Department
KIA

[Geekius]

But I thought that they were trying to prove them right. And instead of considering this a problem you're "ashamed of some people you thought were veterans". And like if it wasn't enough you think that them being upset with them being continuously oppressed for no apparent reason is childish? I don't know all the details but for me this story looks ugly.

It's three people who are claiming they have been oppressed by our admin team because until recently they were PRTA members, so we could afford to give them the benefit of the doubt that they did understand and intend to follow our ruleset. When they left citing unfair treatment, none of which I've seen, we had to treat them like everyone else on the server. There are only so many times I'm willing to enforce by minor means like kicks or tempbans the same offense before a ban becomes inevitable.

It could be just a rumor but I've heard that lots of people left your community recently.

Almost a year ago, mass exodus happened because drama.

About the allegations Ukrainians have been banned from our forums:
If you by some coincidence are banned on our forum, and should not be, make a ban appeal. I know server-wise we have not implemented any measure that should carpet ban individuals based on nationality.

About the reports on our forums:
I've suspended/removed no less then three administrators and reprimanded almost every one of my other ones at one occasion or another. If your report merits little to no response from the seniors/lead, it means that it merits little to no response because the accusation does not match the evidence.

It does not however mean that it merits little to no response because we hate you. I dont care enough about any of you to give you specifically worse treatment then anybody else.

Geekius
Senior Administrator
PR EU
PRTA

[Yeahllingmann]

When they left citing unfair treatment, none of which I've seen, we had to treat them like everyone else on the server. There are only so many times I'm willing to enforce by minor means like kicks or tempbans the same offense before a ban becomes inevitable.

What about that video up there? Is it what we should consider as an example of fair treatment? And as I've said before, I don't know all the details, but it looks ulgy.

Heskey, I thought that everybody has the right to have and to share their own opinion, it's one of the main principle of democracy. How do they hijacked the thread? Did they spam the shit out of it? No I don't think so. Did they claim something without providing proof of it happening? Nope. So... How's that a hijack?

[Kieb321]

Is ducky still an admin?

[Chuva_RD]

It's three people who are claiming they have been oppressed by our admin team because until recently they were PRTA members, so we could afford to give them the benefit of the doubt that they did understand and intend to follow our ruleset. When they left citing unfair treatment, none of which I've seen, we had to treat them like everyone else on the server.

[quote=""PRTA ruleset"]7.3 All PRTA members, leaders, admins, managers and heads of PRTA must follow server rules and can suffer the same consequences as other non-member players.[/quote]

How you couldn't see this? You agreed with ruleset when applied to admin.



[quote="Geekius""] If your report merits little to no response from the seniors/lead, it means that it merits little to no response because the accusation does not match the evidence.
[/quote]
That's right from your perspective. However ingorance of reports led to discussion in outer forums.

Could I correct this?

If your quote about ban reasons merits little to no response from the seniors/lead, it means that this players merits little to no response and we don't have evidence of rulebreaking but very very want to ban they. Doesn't matter they break rules or not, admins break rules and nobody from higher staff says a word. Such thing will happen to each one who interfere us.

[Chuva_RD]

Heskey, I thought that everybody has the right to have and to share their own opinion, it's one of the main principle of democracy. How do they hijacked the thread? Did they spam the shit out of it? No I don't think so. Did they claim something without providing proof of it happening? Nope. So... How's that a hijack?

Heskey proud to show he served in army. Democracy and army uncombineable. But player community somehow is not an army.

[Raubtier]

Is ducky still an admin?

He is also admin on EU] Gaming Group , i havent played there but already banned.

[Geekius]

How you couldn't see this? You agreed with ruleset when applied to admin.

Read it again, and see if you understand it. For what it's worth, I'm really really really sorry we gave you guys the benefit of the doubt and preferential treatment over everybody else, which gave you the misapprehension somehow that we were treating you worse.

That's right from your perspective. However ingorance of reports led to discussion in outer forums.

I don't care what happens on other forums to be honest. If someone wants to bring something to our attention, do it via our forums otherwise there's no way it can be handled properly.

Could I correct this?

Correct sure, but I don't think theres anything wrong with what I originally said, thus if you're asking if you can lie again, the answer is no.

For those who asked about people hijacking threads, a few pages back there are posts such as:
"I haven't played on the server, but I avoid it as much as possible"
Keep in mind that this is a server feedback thread. Not a talk shit about people I don't like that are associated with the server thread. If you noticed something one way or the other that happened on the server or directly associated with it, it should be in here. Otherwise, go make drama somewhere else.

Geekius
Senior Administrator
PR EU
PRTA

[FFG]

I don't care what happens on other forums to be honest. If someone wants to bring something to our attention, do it via our forums otherwise there's no way it can be handled properly.

Im sorry, But what the actual fuck is this. When I was lead admin of NA, If i even saw a hint of something popping up on another forum or on reddit. I would tackle it head on. Don't you fucking dare tell anyone that they specifically need to use your forums when reporting stuff.

I mean sure, I would love it if everyone who had a problem jumped on BASED and let us know their issues with our servers. But it doesn't fucking happen that way.

Either adapt and get over it. or die.